tommy bhoys Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Ye we have a member in our club that turns up and wins short stuff with his natural team on occasion. Its easier to have yer best away every week on widowhood or its like. Buster might be in a club like mine where it's very competitive and a few of the fanciers always take cards but never get right up at the short stuff. That all changes when distance comes in . These are national winners and experienced fanciers so might not be much wrong with Buster151' method just good fanciers and a wee tweek here and therethats what we are trying to do get him up with the winners we all cant stay in locations where you can win a national mate imo he has to many birds in a small loft. he does not fly the distance its sprint racing he does and im saying you can compete on natural Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Reid Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Well done Geordie trying to help another fancier. Just noticed Mr J is not in pigeon club at the moment . But if he could explain to buster how he dominated his last club I'm sure it would be very much appreciated [/. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 thats what we are trying to do get him up with the winners we all cant stay in locations where you can win a national mate imo he has to many birds in a small loft. he does not fly the distance its sprint racing he does and im saying you can compete on natural Just trying to point out that ye don't know who he is flying against........national winning location got heehaw tae do wae it its club racing was just using that to illustrate that the man might be up against tough opposition. Bet his fookin heeds pickled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Thanks all, some real good info coming out of this and seeing how different people use different systems it all helps, it will not only help me but others can and will benefit as well, so Thank You all and keep it coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Just trying to point out that ye don't know who he is flying against........national winning location got heehaw tae do wae it its club racing was just using that to illustrate that the man might be up against tough opposition. Bet his fookin heeds pickledthere is tough opposition in every club you just have tae try a wee bit harder tae beat them. and its up tae steve what he thinks will benefit the system he flies .can only tell him what i think would benefit himself with myself flying the same system :animatedpigeons: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 20+ members one guy seems to win most races often taking first 3/4 positions this season he won 19 races next one won 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 20+ members one guy seems to win most races often taking first 3/4 positions this season he won 19 races next one won 7Now then, how far are you behind velocity wise? how many miles shorter than the dominant fancier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 he was doing 1.21.27 over 80 miles 1270 yards velocity of1744.260 I was 1.25.31 over 81 miles 92yards velocity of 1668.270in that race he took first 4 I always seem to be around 4/5 minutes behind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 he was doing 1.21.27 over 80 miles 1270 yards velocity of1744.260 I was 1.25.31 over 81 miles 92yards velocity of 1668.270in that race he took first 4 I always seem to be around 4/5 minutes behindYip yer a bit behind especially on a fast day. I am sticking to the same answer of system and lighter feed. The birds flying well round the loft and the training should see you pretty close so thats my best guess......if not wrong tackle for the job. Best of luck mate I am saying no more lol. Whatever happens ENJOY the birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 Yip yer a bit behind especially on a fast day. I am sticking to the same answer of system and lighter feed. The birds flying well round the loft and the training should see you pretty close so thats my best guess......if not wrong tackle for the job. Best of luck mate I am saying no more lol. Whatever happens ENJOY the birds. I agree with what dal said, im not a big believer in treating pigeons to be honest but id also go as far as saying a health may also be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hairylayer Posted December 9, 2015 Report Share Posted December 9, 2015 I'm still a total novice but one thing I did notice Steve is some of the strains you have for example the Jan Ardens are distance birds also do the birds get fresh grit everyday as the grit will suck up the dampness from the floor, hope I haven't offended anyone from commenting just a couple of things I spotted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Fresh grit daily I dont race the Aardens at present, and not offended mate, some good stuff there to help all us novices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 steve out of interest how many young birds will you bred? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 For next year I'm planning on 12 only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 For next year I'm planning on 12 onlyhave you any plans of getting another loft ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 have you any plans of getting another loft ?I have a small 8x6 that Im going to use when internal work finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 I have a small 8x6 that Im going to use when internal work finishedwell steve for what its worth i think you have to many birds in one loft second thing i would do is replace the glass in your loft with wire mesh 3th thing is feed a barley mix thats what i would recommend 4th if you race your young birds out that 8x6 loft send me your 12 rings and i will breed you sprinters cheers tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Thank you Tommy thats a great offer, why would you put mesh instead of glass please and I do agree about to many birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Thank you Tommy thats a great offer, why would you put mesh instead of glass please and I do agree about to many birdstwo reasons i like to breath in my loft and it could also be reason for damp floors steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Quite a considerable amount of useful information given and I believe most importent advice is size of loft and 60 birds within. I do believe and I am sure most would agree that 40 birds should be the maximum. Your dampness is obviously a problem but you state that it is at this time of year so I must assume that the floor is dry when the weather is kinder, I dont think I would go knocking six bells out of the woodwork before treating myself to a barometer complete with hygrometer and you would be able to tell when your floor was suffering from damp as determined by the air humidity in the loft in comparison with outside. I have noticed in my locality the humidity is rarely above 85% what with all the rain etc over the last couple of months,. To put it in layman's terms When was the last time you hung a washing out and brought it in dry ready for ironing ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbiedoo. Posted December 10, 2015 Report Share Posted December 10, 2015 Yip yer a bit behind especially on a fast day. I am sticking to the same answer of system and lighter feed. The birds flying well round the loft and the training should see you pretty close so thats my best guess......if not wrong tackle for the job. Best of luck mate I am saying no more lol. Whatever happens ENJOY the birds. I would say system aswell defo even though 3 or 4 minutes might not be so bad as what is says in black and white depending on loft location in some cases you will have to give fanciers over fly even though the birds fly over the top of their loft before getting to yours on the short races. I used to race natural and was behind all the time like buster what I did was I went to our clubs/fed top fancier at the time who happened to be in the same club as myself and I asked all about his system which was roundabout . The following season I flew roundabout for the first time and went from a nearly man to a one to watch man so for that reason I would defo change my system if you want to be more competitive JMHO. Best of luck in which ever you decide to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 I would say system aswell defo even though 3 or 4 minutes might not be so bad as what is says in black and white depending on loft location in some cases you will have to give fanciers over fly even though the birds fly over the top of their loft before getting to yours on the short races. I used to race natural and was behind all the time like buster what I did was I went to our clubs/fed top fancier at the time who happened to be in the same club as myself and I asked all about his system which was roundabout . The following season I flew roundabout for the first time and went from a nearly man to a one to watch man so for that reason I would defo change my system if you want to be more competitive JMHO. Best of luck in which ever you decide to.That is how it is, I give all members over fly but the birds do come over there lofts to get home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 That is how it is, I give all members over fly but the birds do come over there lofts to get home If possible start training your pigeons on your own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 That is how it is, I give all members over fly but the birds do come over there lofts to get home buster i would have a guess and say you are the most westerly flyer in your club then...what is the difference between the longest flyer and yourself on average? Big pete on site, i would say could be in a similar situation to you but he has to give most members overfly of 6-8 miles, and some of the results he done in his first year was exceptional, but he was taken under the wing by two fanciers, and followed their systems to the tee, and he had a number of 2nd places in the club against the wind, on days he shouldnt have got them and just got beaten on the overfly he gave the winners. Personally i would suggest you do something similar approach a fancier and see if he could have the time to give to you, and just follow that one mans ways, and see where you go from their result wise. And maybe make a specially thread where you can say any differences your noticing throughout the season and how the advice is different to what you was doing previously, bit like a dairy, could make interesting reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted December 11, 2015 Report Share Posted December 11, 2015 buster i would have a guess and say you are the most westerly flyer in your club then...what is the difference between the longest flyer and yourself on average? Big pete on site, i would say could be in a similar situation to you but he has to give most members overfly of 6-8 miles, and some of the results he done in his first year was exceptional, but he was taken under the wing by two fanciers, and followed their systems to the tee, and he had a number of 2nd places in the club against the wind, on days he shouldnt have got them and just got beaten on the overfly he gave the winners. Personally i would suggest you do something similar approach a fancier and see if he could have the time to give to you, and just follow that one mans ways, and see where you go from their result wise. And maybe make a specially thread where you can say any differences your noticing throughout the season and how the advice is different to what you was doing previously, bit like a dairy, could make interesting reading :emoticon-0137-clapping: :emoticon-0137-clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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