Kyleakin Lofts Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 IMO I wouldn't open the loft up I'd do the opposite I'd also get onto widowhood especially since your in a sprint fed imo George, closing the loft up should stop the dampness, but it would reduce the air flow. Would you use heat to control humidity and fans to control air flow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 George, closing the loft up should stop the dampness, but it would reduce the air flow. Would you use heat to control humidity and fans to control air flow? I'd reduce the numbers in the loft job done....only air flow would be when my door opensThis idea that pigeons need copious amounts of air doesn't float my boat their lungs are tiny.... Most problems are caused by overcrowding. been in many top lofts sprint and distance with no vents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Dampness. ......get rid of that problem ASAP. ....rest might follow easier than you think. Natural birds flying an hour at a time when exercised at home???.....wow...I should be asking you lol. Not a lot wrong there with the fettle of the birds. Training?......that's about twice as much as I would train and certainly plenty with midweek? Conclusion? Change to widowhood/jealous/celibate you choose and see what happens. Get the dampness problem Sorted. .....after that it's mostly good birds and dedication. Best of luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 The loft is in the open and in full light/sun all dayhi steve i have a few questions for you is your loft facing into the prevailing wind ? have you any perspex on roof ? is your loft tiled ? and what is your loft resting on ? cheers tommy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Walter how would the plank work with the fixed vents already in place, would I need to cover them?They do fly over 1 hour mornings and about an hour afternoon when let out twice daily, training is started at 20 miles on there own 5/6 tosses then on the training truck twice a week around 35 miles, as I race midweek as well, and dont train basketting daysid work around your vents or do away with them incase the rain is being blown in there your training looks fine m8 and if there flying at home also it should not be a fitness problem and if your birds are not getting respitory infection from the damp floor that only leaves to much food or the birds are not good enough you seem to be doing your bit as far as i can see buster try giving them a course of tylan next year about ten days before racing starts if its respitory that will clear it up if not id be looking at the birds pal its hard to tell without seeing the loft or the birds but thats the road id be going down but id be worried if my floor was wet all the time somethings not right surely the rain must be blowing in or you have a leak does your loft slope to the front or back could it be rain running off the roof and the wind blowing it in the loft can you move or turn the loft or jack it up another foot so more air underneath but you have to get it sorted somehow dampness kills form to be sure and if its not that get the black cap on but your deff over feeding imo hope you can sort it out m8 good luck with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paddymac Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 first the wet floor if rain is not blowing in and causing the problem id remove one plank the full lenth of the front of the loft about 10 to 12 inch from the floor fit small gage wire and replace the plank at an angle to keep the rain out so you have a steady air flow across the floor blowing up the wall and out the back and roof you could also try a few bags of spill dry or similar and spread it under the loft incase the dampness is coming from below the floor and is being drawn up into the floor two cut back the feeding fat birds dont win and do not want to fly give them a wee pick before you let them out if you wish then there main feed when they come in or later there should be no feed left in trays unless feeding youngsters the birds should always be looking for food imo make them eat what you want not what they want like kids they will always choose the sweets to eat first and waste the rest so you must control the feed three you have not spoke of how much training you do if your birds are not flying two hours a day from a least six weeks before and during racing you have to get them down the road training 20 to 30 miles a day three days a week or have 20 tosses before the first race from the direction you want them to come three watch your pigeons and motivate them by giving them what they want then taking them away from it whether it be a mate a box eggs or youngster find what each bird races best to and play on it but all this will mean nothing if the birds are fat unfit and unhealthy jmo for what its worth good luck with it and keep trying your win will come if you do your bit no one said it was easy atbGood post Walter and with Jim's results with guidance and advice from yourself I'm sure Steve will find your advice as a benefit for the 2016 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 hi steve i have a few questions for you is your loft facing into the prevailing wind ? have you any perspex on roof ? is your loft tiled ? and what is your loft resting on ? cheers tommy Tommy the loft is South/East facing, roof is wood and felt and rests on concrete blocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Good post Walter and with Jim's results with guidance and advice from yourself I'm sure Steve will find your advice as a benefit for the 2016 season.we can only guess when we cant see them pat but may give the man food for thought m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 id work around your vents or do away with them incase the rain is being blown in there your training looks fine m8 and if there flying at home also it should not be a fitness problem and if your birds are not getting respitory infection from the damp floor that only leaves to much food or the birds are not good enough you seem to be doing your bit as far as i can see buster try giving them a course of tylan next year about ten days before racing starts if its respitory that will clear it up if not id be looking at the birds pal its hard to tell without seeing the loft or the birds but thats the road id be going down but id be worried if my floor was wet all the time somethings not right surely the rain must be blowing in or you have a leak does your loft slope to the front or back could it be rain running off the roof and the wind blowing it in the loft can you move or turn the loft or jack it up another foot so more air underneath but you have to get it sorted somehow dampness kills form to be sure and if its not that get the black cap on but your deff over feeding imo hope you can sort it out m8 good luck with itWalter roof slopes back and front,no leaks even refelted to be sure, I really dont think they are overfed as even when bits food, seems to be the smaller seeds barley etc in troughs, next morning they are always after more Dampness. ......get rid of that problem ASAP. ....rest might follow easier than you think. Natural birds flying an hour at a time when exercised at home???.....wow...I should be asking you lol. Not a lot wrong there with the fettle of the birds. Training?......that's about twice as much as I would train and certainly plenty with midweek? Conclusion? Change to widowhood/jealous/celibate you choose and see what happens. Get the dampness problem Sorted. .....after that it's mostly good birds and dedication. Best of luckThey do upto 2hours am and 1 hour pm, but I dont always let out twice every day for that reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 There has been a lot of help advice and tips given to which I Thank You all very much :emoticon-0137-clapping: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockman Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Can you post up a photo of the front of your loft showing the vents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Tommy the loft is South/East facing, roof is wood and felt and rests on concrete blockswould put at least another four inch block under loft. cover your vent with perspex at angle to stop driving rain from coming in steve getting the right air flow is a must imo my own lofts are very open but they face north as we get more west winds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Tommy the loft is South/East facing, roof is wood and felt and rests on concrete blockswould put at least another four inch block under loft. cover your vent with perspex at angle to stop driving rain from coming in steve getting the right air flow is a must imo my own lofts are very open but they face north as we get more west winds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Can you post up a photo of the front of your loft showing the vents? http://static.premiersite.co.uk/46370/img/46370_2093069.jpg its similar to this 3 sliding doors on front no sputniks though and vents at bottom same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 There has been a lot of help advice and tips given to which I Thank You all very much :emoticon-0137-clapping:well done to you for having the guts to come on and ask for help hopefully the guys have given you some ideas of how to cure the problem steven dont be afraid to ask we all need help sometime and none of us are experts we are all still learning with pigeons m8 im sure you will get it sorted and be up with the winners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) ah just seen the photo of your loft and think the problem is as i thought not enough over hang and loft sloping to the front the water runs off and is blown into the loft still take some planks off the front at each side of your vents or cut a four inch gap and do as tommy says angle some perspex right across the front this should solve the damp problem and still allow good air flowps jims loft has same shape roof and had same problem till we put perspex at angle right across the full lenth of the loft problem solved Edited December 8, 2015 by walterboswell59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockman Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Can you post up a photo of the front of your loft showing the vents? http://static.premie...370_2093069.jpg its similar to this 3 sliding doors on front no sputniks though and vents at bottom sameI have plastic louvers at the bottom two high at the front and one row top and bottom at the back and the floor is always dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony C Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 I agree with Wiley re your race program (sprint) Three things will win you sprint races (old birds) 1)the right system. Widowhood would be my first choice, natural my last.2)the right pigeons. If the route you fly is from the south west where velocities are generally high you need to house out and out sprinters. 3)the right feeding. Feed light, by that I mean a mix without peas/maples/beans. I could add a 4th and that is position but that's something you cant do anything about. If at all possible I would look at having a 2nd loft to race your old birds out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 I have louvres on the bottom and perspex on top no overhang faces due south into the south west prevailing wind. When its really heavy rain blowing south west I get it coming thru the bottom louvres but it has to be HEAVY........please bare in mind that this loft was built by a brickie and a TV engineer and started off 8ft wide.......the height off the ground is key imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommy bhoys Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 steve have you tried covering the dowel trapping at top of each section ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buster151 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Sorry for that loft pic, and confusion I was trying to show something similar to mine I never realised that had dowels on,teach me to look properly, my loft is all closed at front except vents at bottom and traps at top 3 sliding doors one on each section with glass in windows, will try and get pic of mine if I cant find any onlinemine also has about 3 foot sloping roof at front and normal overhang at back, one of those with wings or whatever they called Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 Sorry for that loft pic, and confusion I was trying to show something similar to mine I never realised that had dowels on,teach me to look properly, my loft is all closed at front except vents at bottom and traps at top 3 sliding doors one on each section with glass in windows, will try and get pic of mine if I cant find any onlinemine also has about 3 foot sloping roof at front and normal overhang at back, one of those with wings or whatever they calledMuch the same as mine on the front? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeboah Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 I have louvres on the bottom and perspex on top no overhang faces due south into the south west prevailing wind. When its really heavy rain blowing south west I get it coming thru the bottom louvres but it has to be HEAVY........please bare in mind that this loft was built by a brickie and a TV engineer and started off 8ft wide.......the height off the ground is key imoYou might have buried the twae cats lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 You might have buried the twae cats lolThem two wudnae raise their heed tae a cat lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted December 8, 2015 Report Share Posted December 8, 2015 My first thought was the sloping to the front roof. My roof slopes that way but I put a gutter along front and their is no water ingress. My second thought is you never mentioned how many birds you have and how much water are they going through daily in your drinkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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