500 Ml Feeding , Something Different

[Dooheed 5]

eastcoasters mistake was moving to the west or centre of scotland if he wants to win a national although we can all wish a section win with a good open position is more realistic and lots of eastwinds to boot outwith that it happens once in a blue moon over here or a disaster of a race but thats just my opinion

One thing that Deffo wouldn't Help Eastcoaster achieve his Goal is for him to adopt a Defeatest Attitude !

[peter dempsey]

this is an excellent post this is what the site should be all about

people not afraid to give there views

regards peter

[geordie1234]

this is an excellent post this is what the site should be all about

people not afraid to give there views

regards peter

Yes totally agree!! My one and only aim next year is time from the Gold cup!! One race is all I'm looking at and everything will be centred around it bring it on

 

this is an excellent post this is what the site should be all about

people not afraid to give there views

regards peter

Yes totally agree!! My one and only aim next year is time from the Gold cup!! One race is all I'm looking at and everything will be centred around it bring it on

[Dooheed 5]

Yes totally agree!! My one and only aim next year is time from the Gold cup!! One race is all I'm looking at and everything will be centred around it bring it on

 

 

Yes totally agree!! My one and only aim next year is time from the Gold cup!! One race is all I'm looking at and everything will be centred around it bring it on

A the Best Pal ! im sure ye Will !!

[geordie1234]

A the Best Pal ! im sure ye Will !!

here's hoping atvb m8

[peter pandy]

So maybe you should ask Ryan for his feeding methods for the modern day pigeon race Peter see if that helps.

Stevie when I moved South I left my birds to others apart from one or two but when C.J.Williams died I had to get rid off everything as I had no place to put them effectively putting me out of the doo game. It was after 18 months that I started up again but it has taken me years to get a team to-gether of quality with so much rubbish going around.

[dal2]

Stevie when I moved South I left my birds to others apart from one or two but when C.J.Williams died I had to get rid off everything as I had no place to put them effectively putting me out of the doo game. It was after 18 months that I started up again but it has taken me years to get a team to-gether of quality with so much rubbish going around.

Things change mate. I remember as a boy the old men in my club shaking their heads at younger men cos they would be training hard and wasting their money on petrol rather than waiting for some distance in the race prog to bring the fitness in.....nowadays the fanciers want to win from the start making racing a much more competitive environment. This will to win has also seen the modern fancier keep more birds BUT in my opinion has also seen them keep better care, on terms of fitness and condition, than many were in the past especially in the shorter races. Also the money a fancier has in his pocket allows him many more options than they did 30yrs ago.

 

Less birdage.......yes deffo.....less fanciers......agreed......less quality.......not for me, more quality and more knowledge than ever before

[geordie1234]

Things change mate. I remember as a boy the old men in my club shaking their heads at younger men cos they would be training hard and wasting their money on petrol rather than waiting for some distance in the race prog to bring the fitness in.....nowadays the fanciers want to win from the start making racing a much more competitive environment. This will to win has also seen the modern fancier keep more birds BUT in my opinion has also seen them keep better care, on terms of fitness and condition, than many were in the past especially in the shorter races. Also the money a fancier has in his pocket allows him many more options than they did 30yrs ago.

 

Less birdage.......yes deffo.....less fanciers......agreed......less quality.......not for me, more quality and more knowledge than ever before

100% Agree

[Wiley]

Things change mate. I remember as a boy the old men in my club shaking their heads at younger men cos they would be training hard and wasting their money on petrol rather than waiting for some distance in the race prog to bring the fitness in.....nowadays the fanciers want to win from the start making racing a much more competitive environment. This will to win has also seen the modern fancier keep more birds BUT in my opinion has also seen them keep better care, on terms of fitness and condition, than many were in the past especially in the shorter races. Also the money a fancier has in his pocket allows him many more options than they did 30yrs ago.

 

Less birdage.......yes deffo.....less fanciers......agreed......less quality.......not for me, more quality and more knowledge than ever before

 

A brilliant statement dal and my feelings also

[andy Burgess]

Things change mate. I remember as a boy the old men in my club shaking their heads at younger men cos they would be training hard and wasting their money on petrol rather than waiting for some distance in the race prog to bring the fitness in.....nowadays the fanciers want to win from the start making racing a much more competitive environment. This will to win has also seen the modern fancier keep more birds BUT in my opinion has also seen them keep better care, on terms of fitness and condition, than many were in the past especially in the shorter races. Also the money a fancier has in his pocket allows him many more options than they did 30yrs ago.

 

Less birdage.......yes deffo.....less fanciers......agreed......less quality.......not for me, more quality and more knowledge than ever before

 

 

well said :emoticon-0137-clapping:

[eastcoaster]

Peter maybe ive read the original question wrong, but to me in simple terms eastcoasters ambition is to win the gold cup sect/national.... And asked distance men what the perfect feed was to get them on the night from 500/600 miles. Whatever way you look at it i have to get birds flying theough you terrain, and you have to get them through mine....500/600 miles is 500/600 miles what ever way you decide to look at it

You are correct Wiley 500 mls is 500 mls my only input is your birds are meeting our terrain at the start of the race when still fit where as in my area they are hitting it when tired and mostly into a prevailing west wind ! I am not taking anything from your excellent pigeons but maybe that is why yo are more likely to get sprinters from that distance than we are . Jmo

 

eastcoasters mistake was moving to the west or centre of scotland if he wants to win a national although we can all wish a section win with a good open position is more realistic and lots of eastwinds to boot outwith that it happens once in a blue moon over here or a disaster of a race but thats just my opinion

Walter , I have been 2/3/4/8 in the west sect from the nationals but my best open position is clermont this year 104th so maybe you are correct ! But like yourself will keep trying .

One of the best distance men in the west told me to go back to beans as a staple diet ,Dave delea does the same , the idea is to find out if the birds have it in them and when you get them from 500 mls that is the time speed them up with more fats than protein .

I love the fact that we all have different idea,s on the subject.

[geordie1234]

You are correct Wiley 500 mls is 500 mls my only input is your birds are meeting our terrain at the start of the race when still fit where as in my area they are hitting it when tired and mostly into a prevailing west wind ! I am not taking anything from your excellent pigeons but maybe that is why yo are more likely to get sprinters from that distance than we are . Jmo

 

 

Walter , I have been 2/3/4/8 in the west sect from the nationals but my best open position is clermont this year 104th so maybe you are correct ! But like yourself will keep trying .

One of the best distance men in the west told me to go back to beans as a staple diet ,Dave delea does the same , the idea is to find out if the birds have it in them and when you get them from 500 mls that is the time speed them up with more fats than protein .

I love the fact that we all have different idea,s on the subject.

That's impressive mate for the length of time you have been over this side

[peter pandy]

HALLELUJAH.. I was thinking I was the only fancier on this glorious island that still fed a mixture with BEANS in it. Am I the only person on the forum who does not agree with Wiley's statement regarding wind. A North wind out of Lerwick to the Home Counties is a blow home, where for us its a cold yin on the nose and a disaster, A Southerly wind in the U.K. is get the sun tan oot. Regard the terrain your birds are keeping to the East of the country and the only hills are made by moles. Nae disrespect cos we canny help whaur we stay.

[Wiley]

HALLELUJAH.. I was thinking I was the only fancier on this glorious island that still fed a mixture with BEANS in it. Am I the only person on the forum who does not agree with Wiley's statement regarding wind. A North wind out of Lerwick to the Home Counties is a blow home, where for us its a cold yin on the nose and a disaster, A Southerly wind in the U.K. is get the sun tan oot. Regard the terrain your birds are keeping to the East of the country and the only hills are made by moles. Nae disrespect cos we canny help whaur we stay.

 

Please tell me what i stated about wind Peter?

 

And maybe you missed George bairds post about following my system to the tee and timing yearlings from 475 miles on the day?

[DJWa]

irrespective if your flying north or south

a headwind up in the north of Scotland is a toughie

I think the moles have been building multi story molehills up here lol

[peter pandy]

Please tell me what i stated about wind Peter?

 

And maybe you missed George bairds post about following my system to the tee and timing yearlings from 475 miles on the day?

Aye one was a North and one was a South. And I have pointed out the differing temps and terrain in Scotland. Eascoaster is staying in Central Scotland between Glasgow and Edinburgh and greengairs is high up and he gets snaw when we get rain and you get a sun tan in the home counties. Fair enough. Next part is that he states he had visited TOP doo men who have timed on the day flying 500-600 miles feeding 100% Beans..Another 80% Peanuts..Another 80% Maize and finally another 100% Gerry Plus.. The Southern Uplands is a formidable range when the birds have been on the wing for 500 miles and still have another 50 mile to go through them in their endeavour to get home and to my thinking it wont be the feed that will see them complete the journey BUT GUTS and DETERMINATION.

[eastcoaster]

That's impressive mate for the length of time you have been over this side

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Yes I think it's ok but have mostly been inland nats , have only sent to gold cup twice (no returns) clermont twice (timed once ) and think I wasted the birds chances because I did not understand the distance feeding and rest period hence this subject .

[geordie1234]

That's impressive mate for the length of time you have been over this side

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Yes I think it's ok but have mostly been inland nats , have only sent to gold cup twice (no returns) clermont twice (timed once ) and think I wasted the birds chances because I did not understand the distance feeding and rest period hence this subject .

Well mate you'll do it next season fae the channel hope I do too atvb

[Wiley]

Aye one was a North and one was a South. And I have pointed out the differing temps and terrain in Scotland. Eascoaster is staying in Central Scotland between Glasgow and Edinburgh and greengairs is high up and he gets snaw when we get rain and you get a sun tan in the home counties. Fair enough. Next part is that he states he had visited TOP doo men who have timed on the day flying 500-600 miles feeding 100% Beans..Another 80% Peanuts..Another 80% Maize and finally another 100% Gerry Plus.. The Southern Uplands is a formidable range when the birds have been on the wing for 500 miles and still have another 50 mile to go through them in their endeavour to get home and to my thinking it wont be the feed that will see them complete the journey BUT GUTS and DETERMINATION.

 

Its a very good post peter....so from it we can understand that you regard the feed of 500-600 mile pigeons of no importance, as its the motivation is the key...would i be correct in stating this?

 

But lets look at it another way, if the fancier feeds 100% beans, this is a high in protein diet, now all this protein cannot be used so a high percentage of it will get converted to fatty acids and stored as FATS. Another fancier fed 80% peanuts, which are high percentage fats and fairly high percentage protein, so if the protein isnt needed to repair muscle damage the proteins will again be converted to fatty acids and stored as FATS. Another fed 80% maize now thats a high carb grain, and we know when there is an excess of carbs it again turns into FATS. Lastly 100% gerry plus, high fat high carb mixture......to me the link between all these as you said TOP distance men is their use of FATS. So i dont think feeding in my opinion could be disregarded....and i for one am not saying motivation is the 100% reason, as without the fuel in the tank no matter how much guts or determination they have without the fuel they wont make it home on the NIGHT. As i said previously the right feed and the right motivation go hand in hand.

[eastcoaster]

Its a very good post peter....so from it we can understand that you regard the feed of 500-600 mile pigeons of no importance, as its the motivation is the key...would i be correct in stating this?

 

But lets look at it another way, if the fancier feeds 100% beans, this is a high in protein diet, now all this protein cannot be used so a high percentage of it will get converted to fatty acids and stored as FATS. Another fancier fed 80% peanuts, which are high percentage fats and fairly high percentage protein, so if the protein isnt needed to repair muscle damage the proteins will again be converted to fatty acids and stored as FATS. Another fed 80% maize now thats a high carb grain, and we know when there is an excess of carbs it again turns into FATS. Lastly 100% gerry plus, high fat high carb mixture......to me the link between all these as you said TOP distance men is their use of FATS. So i dont think feeding in my opinion could be disregarded....and i for one am not saying motivation is the 100% reason, as without the fuel in the tank no matter how much guts or determination they have without the fuel they wont make it home on the NIGHT. As i said previously the right feed and the right motivation go hand in hand.

Good post

[walterboswell59]

Its a very good post peter....so from it we can understand that you regard the feed of 500-600 mile pigeons of no importance, as its the motivation is the key...would i be correct in stating this?

 

But lets look at it another way, if the fancier feeds 100% beans, this is a high in protein diet, now all this protein cannot be used so a high percentage of it will get converted to fatty acids and stored as FATS. Another fancier fed 80% peanuts, which are high percentage fats and fairly high percentage protein, so if the protein isnt needed to repair muscle damage the proteins will again be converted to fatty acids and stored as FATS. Another fed 80% maize now thats a high carb grain, and we know when there is an excess of carbs it again turns into FATS. Lastly 100% gerry plus, high fat high carb mixture......to me the link between all these as you said TOP distance men is their use of FATS. So i dont think feeding in my opinion could be disregarded....and i for one am not saying motivation is the 100% reason, as without the fuel in the tank no matter how much guts or determination they have without the fuel they wont make it home on the NIGHT. As i said previously the right feed and the right motivation go hand in hand.

and a good pigeon wiley like ive said on here before if you dont have the birds it wont matter if you give them rocket fuel imo

[peter pandy]

Its a very good post peter....so from it we can understand that you regard the feed of 500-600 mile pigeons of no importance, as its the motivation is the key...would i be correct in stating this?

 

But lets look at it another way, if the fancier feeds 100% beans, this is a high in protein diet, now all this protein cannot be used so a high percentage of it will get converted to fatty acids and stored as FATS. Another fancier fed 80% peanuts, which are high percentage fats and fairly high percentage protein, so if the protein isnt needed to repair muscle damage the proteins will again be converted to fatty acids and stored as FATS. Another fed 80% maize now thats a high carb grain, and we know when there is an excess of carbs it again turns into FATS. Lastly 100% gerry plus, high fat high carb mixture......to me the link between all these as you said TOP distance men is their use of FATS. So i dont think feeding in my opinion could be disregarded....and i for one am not saying motivation is the 100% reason, as without the fuel in the tank no matter how much guts or determination they have without the fuel they wont make it home on the NIGHT. As i said previously the right feed and the right motivation go hand in hand.

 

SO, would I be correct in saying that if you fed heavy, Beans etc, any extra not reqd will be turned into fats which in turn is fuel for flying ?. This brings to mind the last race I flew in Scotland was Tours 620 miles no day birds and I clocked 3 from 4 sent within 1 hour in the afternoon 2nd day and all I fed was 2 year old beans. One off the reasons I fed Beans was due to my late friend Dennis Dall who fed Beans in the hopper and their was always a pot of Beans in the nest box. As he used to say if it was good enough feeding for his Dad then it was good enough for him and his results distance racing was second to none. By the way he also had great pigeons and even I won from the distance with them. Another Fifer had the best pigeon I ever handled in my life and his name was "Jock" bred and raced by a Mr&Mrs Greive from Ladybank, Twice 2nd Open SNFC Nantes and bred,trained and raced on Beans.

[eastcoaster]

SO, would I be correct in saying that if you fed heavy, Beans etc, any extra not reqd will be turned into fats which in turn is fuel for flying ?. This brings to mind the last race I flew in Scotland was Tours 620 miles no day birds and I clocked 3 from 4 sent within 1 hour in the afternoon 2nd day and all I fed was 2 year old beans. One off the reasons I fed Beans was due to my late friend Dennis Dall who fed Beans in the hopper and their was always a pot of Beans in the nest box. As he used to say if it was good enough feeding for his Dad then it was good enough for him and his results distance racing was second to none. By the way he also had great pigeons and even I won from the distance with them. Another Fifer had the best pigeon I ever handled in my life and his name was "Jock" bred and raced by a Mr&Mrs Greive from Ladybank, Twice 2nd Open SNFC Nantes and bred,trained and raced on Beans.

Good name that . No relation .

[walterboswell59]

That's impressive mate for the length of time you have been over this side

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Yes I think it's ok but have mostly been inland nats , have only sent to gold cup twice (no returns) clermont twice (timed once ) and think I wasted the birds chances because I did not understand the distance feeding and rest period hence this subject .

im just being a realist m8 but ive also found to my cost three and four hundred miles is not 500 plus miles i found the birds that won for me at three and four hundred miles could not do the gold cup it was different birds in my loft but your birds maybe different it was the birds that came later in these races that scored over the 500 miles for me but your deff going the right way ive been 5th open on the day and timed the first bird in the morning to be 11 th open but there all fed the sameway as we never know if its going to be a day race in our section and as wiley says they have to have the fuel and a lot of luck to imo but i wish you all the luck in the world and dont be put off with what anyone says as its all only opinion pal

[peter pandy]

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im just being a realist m8 but ive also found to my cost three and four hundred miles is not 500 plus miles i found the birds that won for me at three and four hundred miles could not do the gold cup it was different birds in my loft but your birds maybe different it was the birds that came later in these races that scored over the 500 miles for me but your deff going the right way ive been 5th open on the day and timed the first bird in the morning to be 11 th open but there all fed the sameway as we never know if its going to be a day race in our section and as wiley says they have to have the fuel and a lot of luck to imo but i wish you all the luck in the world and dont be put off with what anyone says as its all only opinion pal

 

Walter, Its funny you saying that because I have had numerous day pigeons from 520 miles and quite a few Open positions from 600+ miles not on the day but it took many years trying to get them on the result from 560 miles Gold Cup.