500 Ml Feeding , Something Different

[eastcoaster]

Since I moved to Greengairs my ambition is to win the sect/nat from the gold cup and am making progress so this year I went to the very best performance distance lofts in the uk and have some cracking birds for the future .

When obtaining these birds I asked all about management and feeding ! What some of these guys feed is so diverse it is un real they go from Gerry plus /all beans /80%peanuts/80%maize !

Now we have some top distance men on here ie Del/Walter/Dai/ and loads more , I would like just for interest what these guys think makes the perfect feed for getting them on the night from 500/600 mls .

I know we have had these things before but am interested on why you feed what .

[Delboy]

A mix with a high carb content after 200 miles then add fats to this on the last 7-10 days before basket Colin.

[peter pandy]

Eddy Newcombe drummed it into me that in a distance race 40% are not bred for it 40% are not fit for it and you are only competing against 20%. It does not matter what you feed as its down to the individual pigeon.

[Big Davie]

Eddy Newcombe drummed it into me that in a distance race 40% are not bred for it 40% are not fit for it and you are only competing against 20%. It does not matter what you feed as its down to the individual pigeon.

Peter, whilst I agree with your post, Eddie used peanuts and was the first person I ever heard of using them and that was maybe as far back as 30 years ago

[maverick]

Eddy Newcombe drummed it into me that in a distance race 40% are not bred for it 40% are not fit for it and you are only competing against 20%. It does not matter what you feed as its down to the individual pigeon.

 

 

Eddie told me you first need the birds then health and you must put the fuel in the tank as they can't fly on empty

[walterboswell59]

im much the same as derek ill feed anything up to 200 miles after 200 i add some gerry plus with lots of hemp seed and a few peanuts with the idea of giving the birds more fats more oil and more energy but if you dont have the birds it will not matter what you give them imo

[peter pandy]

Peter, whilst I agree with your post, Eddie used peanuts and was the first person I ever heard of using them and that was maybe as far back as 30 years ago

 

Aye, well try 45 years ago Davie. Eddie only started giving them peanuts because he got them by the sack full for nowt the same with his chicken pellets and American Corn which was his eventual downfall. If feeding was the be all end all why do so few make it home from 500-600 miles ???. To give you another little gem, Eddie kept pigs for fattening up in stalls and the lead water pipes burst one winter. The plumber he got in to do the repair had buckshee copper pipe and replaced the lead with copper. After a month or so Eddie noticed the copper was shining bright where the pigs were licking them and putting weight on faster than they ever did in the past so started adding Copper Sulphate ? to their feed and had them away to the market in half the normal time.

[Guest johnhunter]

im much the same as derek ill feed anything up to 200 miles after 200 i add some gerry plus with lots of hemp seed and a few peanuts with the idea of giving the birds more fats more oil and more energy but if you dont have the birds it will not matter what you give them imo

you are 100 percent there walter, you have got to have the pigeons that are able to do it

[maverick]

Aye, well try 45 years ago Davie. Eddie only started giving them peanuts because he got them by the sack full for nowt the same with his chicken pellets and American Corn which was his eventual downfall. If feeding was the be all end all why do so few make it home from 500-600 miles ???. To give you another little gem, Eddie kept pigs for fattening up in stalls and the lead water pipes burst one winter. The plumber he got in to do the repair had buckshee copper pipe and replaced the lead with copper. After a month or so Eddie noticed the copper was shining bright where the pigs were licking them and putting weight on faster than they ever did in the past so started adding Copper Sulphate ? to their feed and had them away to the market in half the normal time.

 

 

Eddie started feeding the peanuts after he watched the street pigeons at a factory he picked up waste for the pigs they were going mad for the peanuts to the extent they were leaving everything else

[alex young]

I don't fly the distance with my birds but read an interesting article called Additional Thoughts on Nutrition for Racing. If you Google Gordon A.Chalmers DVM you should find it.

[peter pandy]

Well,Well,Well. 24 hrs after opening this topic we still have not been enlightened by the experts on the forum regarding how to get 500-600 mls on the day with the feed !! Perhaps you should have realised that no one who writes on the forum has had a bird on the day from 500-600 or if they have then they never had a clue as to why the bird turned up as it was not the fancied one. I suppose it takes a hard neck to blow your own trumpet and perhaps they are shy BUT you did say on the day. In my day you would have them in 13 hrs into Central Scotland from Avranches, Sartilly, Beauvais or dol. 14 hrs from Rennes and 600 mls was normally next day. Everybody fed Beans,Peas,Tares and Maize with a little of what you fancied as extra and that was a secret. The birdage was 3,000 to 6,000 and Versa Laga was a bottle of foreign beer. :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[dal2]

Well,Well,Well. 24 hrs after opening this topic we still have not been enlightened by the experts on the forum regarding how to get 500-600 mls on the day with the feed !! Perhaps you should have realised that no one who writes on the forum has had a bird on the day from 500-600 or if they have then they never had a clue as to why the bird turned up as it was not the fancied one. I suppose it takes a hard neck to blow your own trumpet and perhaps they are shy BUT you did say on the day. In my day you would have them in 13 hrs into Central Scotland from Avranches, Sartilly, Beauvais or dol. 14 hrs from Rennes and 600 mls was normally next day. Everybody fed Beans,Peas,Tares and Maize with a little of what you fancied as extra and that was a secret. The birdage was 3,000 to 6,000 and Versa Laga was a bottle of foreign beer. :emoticon-0136-giggle:

 

Hehe magic

You must ask what the fook weer doing wrong now.

[walterboswell59]

Well,Well,Well. 24 hrs after opening this topic we still have not been enlightened by the experts on the forum regarding how to get 500-600 mls on the day with the feed !! Perhaps you should have realised that no one who writes on the forum has had a bird on the day from 500-600 or if they have then they never had a clue as to why the bird turned up as it was not the fancied one. I suppose it takes a hard neck to blow your own trumpet and perhaps they are shy BUT you did say on the day. In my day you would have them in 13 hrs into Central Scotland from Avranches, Sartilly, Beauvais or dol. 14 hrs from Rennes and 600 mls was normally next day. Everybody fed Beans,Peas,Tares and Maize with a little of what you fancied as extra and that was a secret. The birdage was 3,000 to 6,000 and Versa Laga was a bottle of foreign beer. :emoticon-0136-giggle:

thats why its a two day race peter

[Wiley]

Well,Well,Well. 24 hrs after opening this topic we still have not been enlightened by the experts on the forum regarding how to get 500-600 mls on the day with the feed !! Perhaps you should have realised that no one who writes on the forum has had a bird on the day from 500-600 or if they have then they never had a clue as to why the bird turned up as it was not the fancied one. I suppose it takes a hard neck to blow your own trumpet and perhaps they are shy BUT you did say on the day. In my day you would have them in 13 hrs into Central Scotland from Avranches, Sartilly, Beauvais or dol. 14 hrs from Rennes and 600 mls was normally next day. Everybody fed Beans,Peas,Tares and Maize with a little of what you fancied as extra and that was a secret. The birdage was 3,000 to 6,000 and Versa Laga was a bottle of foreign beer. :emoticon-0136-giggle:

 

Peter, i have won two London North Road Combines, one from Thurso 510 Miles, and one from Lerwick 599 miles and both were on the day, in two different winds and both with my fancied pigeon. From Thurso i was 1st open, when only 4 birds were timed on the day winning the race by 48 minutes, in a head wind. And from Lerwick i was 1st Open in a tail wind. I must also add in this Thurso race i was also 11th and 27th open, winning the Joe Mahoney trophy for the best 3 bird average in the LNRC but those two were timed early next morning. Both Combine winning pigeon was not bred for the job, as they was both produced by out and out sprint pigeons, and both pigeons had performed at sprint racing previously. But to add my penny worth i feel it was the feed and motivation to achieve these performances. But there was certainly no beans or tares, infact my feed was very light towards marking with about 90% diat mix. But they did have a 14 day prep, where the percentage of protein at the beginning of this prep was very heavy.

[dal2]

Well,Well,Well. 24 hrs after opening this topic we still have not been enlightened by the experts on the forum regarding how to get 500-600 mls on the day with the feed !! Perhaps you should have realised that no one who writes on the forum has had a bird on the day from 500-600 or if they have then they never had a clue as to why the bird turned up as it was not the fancied one. I suppose it takes a hard neck to blow your own trumpet and perhaps they are shy BUT you did say on the day. In my day you would have them in 13 hrs into Central Scotland from Avranches, Sartilly, Beauvais or dol. 14 hrs from Rennes and 600 mls was normally next day. Everybody fed Beans,Peas,Tares and Maize with a little of what you fancied as extra and that was a secret. The birdage was 3,000 to 6,000 and Versa Laga was a bottle of foreign beer. :emoticon-0136-giggle:

Think those times still happen in Scotland

[ally mac]

Peter, i have won two London North Road Combines, one from Thurso 510 Miles, and one from Lerwick 599 miles and both were on the day, in two different winds and both with my fancied pigeon. From Thurso i was 1st open, when only 4 birds were timed on the day winning the race by 48 minutes, in a head wind. And from Lerwick i was 1st Open in a tail wind. I must also add in this Thurso race i was also 11th and 27th open, winning the Joe Mahoney trophy for the best 3 bird average in the LNRC but those two were timed early next morning. Both Combine winning pigeon was not bred for the job, as they was both produced by out and out sprint pigeons, and both pigeons had performed at sprint racing previously. But to add my penny worth i feel it was the feed and motivation to achieve these performances. But there was certainly no beans or tares, infact my feed was very light towards marking with about 90% diat mix. But they did have a 14 day prep, where the percentage of protein at the beginning of this prep was very heavy.

Were either of these from your tasker doos?

[Wiley]

Were either of these from your tasker doos?

 

Ally the 11th and 27th open from Thurso 510 miles this year was, 11th open being from a son of olympiad when paired to a grandaughter of olympiad, an the 27th open was from number 1 pair grandson of filmstar paired to willy thas hen

[peter pandy]

Peter, i have won two London North Road Combines, one from Thurso 510 Miles, and one from Lerwick 599 miles and both were on the day, in two different winds and both with my fancied pigeon. From Thurso i was 1st open, when only 4 birds were timed on the day winning the race by 48 minutes, in a head wind. And from Lerwick i was 1st Open in a tail wind. I must also add in this Thurso race i was also 11th and 27th open, winning the Joe Mahoney trophy for the best 3 bird average in the LNRC but those two were timed early next morning. Both Combine winning pigeon was not bred for the job, as they was both produced by out and out sprint pigeons, and both pigeons had performed at sprint racing previously. But to add my penny worth i feel it was the feed and motivation to achieve these performances. But there was certainly no beans or tares, infact my feed was very light towards marking with about 90% diat mix. But they did have a 14 day prep, where the percentage of protein at the beginning of this prep was very heavy.

Congratulations, well done and I mean that most sincerely. However when I moved down to your neck of the woods I had to change to a lighter diet feed as heavy feeding got me nowhere But as the original question was asked regarding Scottish racing I felt their was a difference in climate and general weather patterns which determines a different feeding method which we in Scotland have been blinded by the power of advertising. I am of the belief that their is no such thing as sprint,middle long distance pigeons and a good bird will win at 65 miles and 600 miles as I have had them in the past and the feed was never changed only the motivation.

[ally mac]

Ally the 11th and 27th open from Thurso 510 miles this year was, 11th open being from a son of olympiad when paired to a grandaughter of olympiad, an the 27th open was from number 1 pair grandson of filmstar paired to willy thas hen

Cheers Ryan. I've a grand daughter and grandson of filmstar that have bred some handy doos. A son of theirs also bred me a good one this year

[geordie1234]

Many roads tae Rome and all that eh lol

[geordie1234]

I'll vouch for wiley's feeding... I fed it to the word for the 475 mile race from carentan.... think my wee hen done it in 12 hours to be tenth open incase ye don't know I stay in sunny Lanarkshire lol

[Wiley]

Since I moved to Greengairs my ambition is to win the sect/nat from the gold cup and am making progress so this year I went to the very best performance distance lofts in the uk and have some cracking birds for the future .When obtaining these birds I asked all about management and feeding ! What some of these guys feed is so diverse it is un real they go from Gerry plus /all beans /80%peanuts/80%maize ! Now we have some top distance men on here ie Del/Walter/Dai/ and loads more , I would like just for interest what these guys think makes the perfect feed for getting them on the night from 500/600 mls .I know we have had these things before but am interested on why you feed what .

 

 

Congratulations, well done and I mean that most sincerely. However when I moved down to your neck of the woods I had to change to a lighter diet feed as heavy feeding got me nowhere But as the original question was asked regarding Scottish racing I felt their was a difference in climate and general weather patterns which determines a different feeding method which we in Scotland have been blinded by the power of advertising. I am of the belief that their is no such thing as sprint,middle long distance pigeons and a good bird will win at 65 miles and 600 miles as I have had them in the past and the feed was never changed only the motivation.

 

Peter maybe ive read the original question wrong, but to me in simple terms eastcoasters ambition is to win the gold cup sect/national.... And asked distance men what the perfect feed was to get them on the night from 500/600 miles. Whatever way you look at it i have to get birds flying theough you terrain, and you have to get them through mine....500/600 miles is 500/600 miles what ever way you decide to look at it

[dal2]

Congratulations, well done and I mean that most sincerely. However when I moved down to your neck of the woods I had to change to a lighter diet feed as heavy feeding got me nowhere But as the original question was asked regarding Scottish racing I felt their was a difference in climate and general weather patterns which determines a different feeding method which we in Scotland have been blinded by the power of advertising. I am of the belief that their is no such thing as sprint,middle long distance pigeons and a good bird will win at 65 miles and 600 miles as I have had them in the past and the feed was never changed only the motivation.

So maybe you should ask Ryan for his feeding methods for the modern day pigeon race Peter see if that helps.

[Guest paulrstokes]

put as many variations of corn as you can in front of them.

 

I won from lerwick 527 miles 2 years running, in the nestbox there was one pot of beans peas and tares, in another there was just a standard mix, in another there was redband, I also added a dozen peanuts everyday, corn was changed daily, and I trained them 10 miles most days in the run up to basketing.

[walterboswell59]

eastcoasters mistake was moving to the west or centre of scotland if he wants to win a national although we can all wish a section win with a good open position is more realistic and lots of eastwinds to boot outwith that it happens once in a blue moon over here or a disaster of a race but thats just my opinion