Edinburgh west Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Can you give your birds virkon s when they are feeding young birds in the best ??
yeboah Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Can you give your birds virkon s when they are feeding young birds in the best ??Is that george best lol
kingbilly 1 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 Can you give your birds virkon s when they are feeding young birds in the best ?? wouldent give it at all kills the birds ammune system should only be used for cleaning
C WRIGHT Posted March 9, 2015 Report Posted March 9, 2015 wouldent give it at all kills the birds ammune system should only be used for cleaning Is this a proven fact or an opinion Cheers
kingbilly 1 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 Is this a proven fact or an opinion CheersIt kills all backtera good and bad then the birds amune sistem will be down when thaye come into any diseases
Kyleakin Lofts Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 There are recommendations for a low dosage to sterilise water systems. It is used extensively within poultry situations, so one would expect it to be safe.Are the recommended dosages safe for pigeons? Would there be any product left active, thus available to act on the pigeon's gut system, once the water was drank by the pigeons? Would this residue strengthen the gut bacteria's resistance to it, thus rendering it ineffective at the recommended dosage?Any answers?
paddymac Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 As kingbilly said it will destroy the birds good bacteria as well as the bad, wouldn't be putting it in the drinkers at all
walterboswell59 Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 have heard of guys putting this stuff in the water to treat youngbird sickness dont know if it works or not think it would be a last resort giving my birds drain cleaner to drink when i had parra was told by defra to use it for foot bath and washing down lofts and drinkers but never said put it in drinkers maybe some of the guys that have used it in the drinker could tell us
Edinburgh west Posted March 10, 2015 Author Report Posted March 10, 2015 My birds get it once a month but they are feeding now so was not sure if I could give them it.
We man Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 Would not use it myself but Chris Knowles uses it on a weekly basis and we know what he does when it comes to top results,Novice on here is the man to ask and he is the man who made me decide to stear clear of it and I thank him for his words of wisdom.
Tony C Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 I cant think of one good reason why you would want to put something like this in the drinker whilst they're rearing young.
Kyleakin Lofts Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 My understanding is that it is Potassium Permanganate based.It is recommended for footbaths, killing fungal when washing down the lofts, cleaning the drinkers and the watering system pipework. The recommendations state that it is safe to be drank when used under the guidance.I use it during racing when the pigeons return, but having read Robert's (Novice) comments I will use one of the other products that I have previously tried, either Gem Strike or Vitality anti-fungal.
peter pandy Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 Half a teaspoon to one gallon Water will do them no harm at all once a month followed up by Prebiotics.
Wiley Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 People that use it would they drink it themselves?
bibendium Posted March 10, 2015 Report Posted March 10, 2015 Seen a sickening video on FB last year of a local fancier puting a syringe full down a pigeons throat to combat YBSwhether it worked or not I dont know, but the bird was instantly sick , bringing up the contents of its stomach.
Roland Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 As kingbilly said it will destroy the birds good bacteria as well as the bad, wouldn't be putting it in the drinkers at all But of course that is the same regardless of any Bacteria killer. A good constitution and a natural immune system has to be best. Their system then, like ours attacks and destroys and KEEPS a template as to how and what is needed again .... How ever sometimes one may well need the advice of a vet and give them help ... but seldom is and when a ....
Novice Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 Personally I am opposed to using this chemical in the drinking water. It is simply an aggressive chemical with a pH value of about 2.2 (it's pretty acidic). It may well kill internal bacteria and viruses leaving you with a clean pigeon but that same pigeon may well have damage to it's internal organs and be unlikely to come into form. Vrkon S contains potassium but there the similarity to Potassium Permanganate ends. I have a friend who was employed as a gamekeeper and he suffered a major health scare. He was advised that this problem may have been caused by spraying pheasant huts with Virkon S without respiratory protection. We would give this to our birds to drink!!!!!! On a more positive note I believe there is now a product called Virkon H2O specifically designed for use in the water of poultry flocks. http://www2.dupont.com/Virkon_S/en_GB/h2o/index.html
Roland Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 Interestingly, in my earlier post I mentioned the importance of Immunity. Of allowing it to work etc. and build up etc. In my post 'Maps and Compass' actually strengthens this in saying 'The cells that researchers thought were there are actually of a completely different kind. "They are immune cells called macrophages, and not neurons that communicate with the brain," says David Keays, a neuroscientist at the Institute of Molecular Pathology, in Vienna, and lead author of the new paper. Isn't it the case that we destroy some much with willy - nilly treating and further we weaken their very immunity by nor giving their immune system a chance to work and strengthen. Indeed to build it up and gain a all important strong constitution!
Tony C Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 On a more positive note I believe there is now a product called Virkon H2O specifically designed for use in the water of poultry flocks. http://www2.dupont.com/Virkon_S/en_GB/h2o/index.htmlMaybe worth Feds looking into this for their transporter watering systems. A lot would depend on if the pigeons found it palatable or not.
Roland Posted March 11, 2015 Report Posted March 11, 2015 I use this now. Must be top rated and used in Hospital's ETC. http://www.aspli.com/products/1728/actichlor-plus-disinfectant-tablets-150-x-1.7g
philg50 Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 Yes Roland ,you wouldnt be giving this in the drinker though ,as it is for the cleaning of hard surface,it is as far as i know harmfull to humans when digested ,an irritant to the eyes also .
Roland Posted March 12, 2015 Report Posted March 12, 2015 Exactly philg50. You can certainly use it to spray the drinkers / feeders etc. However when one considers the amount of fanciers that use Bleach - never mind Milton - in the water one would wonder. It certainly gives them a great complexion and silky feathers etc. As a Doctor said ... 'The guts would be lily white'.
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