The 6 Feds Idea On Snfc/snrpc Thread

[bibendium]

Tam & Tommy.

 

Tam and Tommy are neighbouring farmers, in the middle of the harvest Tommy's Combine Harvester broke down and he couldn't finish brining in his crop. Tam had just bought a brand new one and had finished his harvesting in jig time.

 

Now Tam could see Tommy was having difficulties, however he didn't want to offer his Harvester to Tommy in case he thought he was being a show off and cause offence to his neighbour.

 

Tommy on the other hand had thought to himself that he might be able to borrow Tam's new harvester to get his crops in and decided he would go and ask for a loan of it.

 

Off he went walking across the fields to ask Tam, but on the way over he started doubting himself and his neighbour saying "bet this smart Git says no" and hunts me off his ground. He carried on anyway but the thought of rejection was growing in his mind with every step he took until he totally convinced himself that Tam was DEFINITELY gonna say no.

( Of course Tam was just waiting to be asked so he could help his neighbour)

 

When Tommy got to Tam's door he knocked and Tam opened it, at which point Tommy blurted out "stick yer harvester where the sun don't shine" and promptly set off back across the fields.

 

My question is this, are you a Tam or a Tommy??

 

Seems to me there are a lot of Tommy's now commenting on this thread, looking for all possible negative outcomes and difficulties in the implementation of this idea, so i would ask you to have more faith in your neighbours and trust that they will only offer the hand of Friendship because that's the only type of hands i have, and the other officials that i have managed to contact are all of the same mind. So please place your trust in YOUR officilas by giving them the authority to decide things on your behalf, (or to negotiate an outcome as near as possible to the members mandate) with the full knowledge that the other officials they meet with will all offer a hand of friendship and co-operation to them. ATVB, John.

good post John

[JohnQuinn]

my interest is George that if the west get it up and running the east might do the same

plus less traffic down the east with the west proposing to go down the west

 

Well Davy, i suggest you get together with the other Feds on your side of the country and get it up and running too, instead of looking to disrupt our intentions. "I wonder how the Lanarshire boys would feel if all the other Feds got together and left them out"

That Question/Statement is bang out of order and its the type of thinking that holds our sport back and is probably why you's will never move forward.

 

I am only speaking for Myself here, but if your Fed raced in the old West Section of the SNFC you could participate in this venture, with the Solway birds included it would IMO have no bearing whatsoever on the "pattern" of the race so for me excluding them would at best be folly and at worst discrimination, neither of which fall into the category of Friendship and Inclusion. JMO, NOT a statement of fact because as with every other aspect of this proposition it will be decided by the officials on behalf of their members. Atvb for now. John.

 

This is my last contribution to the thread, now it's time to concentrate on getting this as far Forward as possible, as quickly as possible, to the benefit of all involved. John.

[Delboy]

I think its a great idea the west section feds forming an Amalgamation again but heres a few obstacles the delegates from each fed have to sort out before we start.1. What distances do we use, SHU or RPRA ? 2. What ruling body governs the race ? 3.What route do we fly, east or west. Remember every fed has an equal say and 3 of the 5 feds involved fly the east route at the moment, so no big fed deciding this and that? 4. What transporters are used? 5.How do we get all the feds to agree with the appropriate Amal race programmes ? Everything above is easily sorted if everyone plays the game and sings off the same hymn sheet ...

 

 

Forgot to add this one that involves myself, if a fancier cannot be part of a club/fed can he/she take part in these Amal races?

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Well Davy, i suggest you get together with the other Feds on your side of the country and get it up and running too, instead of looking to disrupt our intentions. "I wonder how the Lanarshire boys would feel if all the other Feds got together and left them out"

That Question/Statement is bang out of order and its the type of thinking that holds our sport back and is probably why you's will never move forward.

 

I am only speaking for Myself here, but if your Fed raced in the old West Section of the SNFC you could participate in this venture, with the Solway birds included it would IMO have no bearing whatsoever on the "pattern" of the race so for me excluding them would at best be folly and at worst discrimination, neither of which fall into the category of Friendship and Inclusion. JMO, NOT a statement of fact because as with every other aspect of this proposition it will be decided by the officials on behalf of their members. Atvb for now. John.

 

This is my last contribution to the thread, now it's time to concentrate on getting this as far Forward as possible, as quickly as possible, to the benefit of all involved. John.

 

Good John!!! Let's get it on. As has been pointed out, there are difficulties to be overcome, but if anything is worth doing, it is very rarely easy. Keep it simple. For this year, 2014, the first thing to be sorted must be joint convoying. This will no doubt have several difficulties to overcome, but if the Officials get their teeth into it, I am sure success is just down the road a little bit.

[Guest stb-]

Well Davy, i suggest you get together with the other Feds on your side of the country and get it up and running too, instead of looking to disrupt our intentions. "I wonder how the Lanarshire boys would feel if all the other Feds got together and left them out"

That Question/Statement is bang out of order and its the type of thinking that holds our sport back and is probably why you's will never move forward.

 

I am only speaking for Myself here, but if your Fed raced in the old West Section of the SNFC you could participate in this venture, with the Solway birds included it would IMO have no bearing whatsoever on the "pattern" of the race so for me excluding them would at best be folly and at worst discrimination, neither of which fall into the category of Friendship and Inclusion. JMO, NOT a statement of fact because as with every other aspect of this proposition it will be decided by the officials on behalf of their members. Atvb for now. John.

 

This is my last contribution to the thread, now it's time to concentrate on getting this as far Forward as possible, as quickly as possible, to the benefit of all involved. John.

well thats easy solved have it run for 3 years with federation only pools and prize moneys . If one area is taking the first 50 positions consistantly then its obviously of more benefit to one area to have open pools and prizes , if its spread about go for the full open pools and prizes . If you go for the full monty to start with and one areas cleans up all the rest will pull out and it wont last 3 years . but get it going to start with for the benefit of the birds at least

[hotrod]

Forgot to add this one that involves myself, if a fancier cannot be part of a club/fed can he/she take part in these Amal races?

Naw

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only kidding big man ,can't see why not .

[Delboy]

Naw

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only kidding big man ,can't see why not .

 

:emoticon-0167-beer:

[hotrod]

:emoticon-0167-beer:

But if you start winning more than yer fair share yer oot lol. :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

[DJWa]

Well Davy, i suggest you get together with the other Feds on your side of the country and get it up and running too, instead of looking to disrupt our intentions. "I wonder how the Lanarshire boys would feel if all the other Feds got together and left them out"

That Question/Statement is bang out of order and its the type of thinking that holds our sport back and is probably why you's will never move forward.

 

I am only speaking for Myself here, but if your Fed raced in the old West Section of the SNFC you could participate in this venture, with the Solway birds included it would IMO have no bearing whatsoever on the "pattern" of the race so for me excluding them would at best be folly and at worst discrimination, neither of which fall into the category of Friendship and Inclusion. JMO, NOT a statement of fact because as with every other aspect of this proposition it will be decided by the officials on behalf of their members. Atvb for now. John.

 

This is my last contribution to the thread, now it's time to concentrate on getting this as far Forward as possible, as quickly as possible, to the benefit of all involved. John.

my comment was aimed at those who stated that Solway should be left out

and how it would feel if the so called boot was on the other foot

I also as you highlighted commented that my intrest was in you lads making a success of it with the hope that the east follow suit

 

so im struggling to find where ive made any detrimental comment regarding the success of your venture

cheers dave

 

 

ps- you seem to forget this is an open forum where everyone can comment

 

if you wish to only allow west of Scotland feds to comment

do this on your own feds web site

[BLACK W F]

Well Davy, i suggest you get together with the other Feds on your side of the country and get it up and running too, instead of looking to disrupt our intentions. "I wonder how the Lanarshire boys would feel if all the other Feds got together and left them out"

That Question/Statement is bang out of order and its the type of thinking that holds our sport back and is probably why you's will never move forward.

 

I am only speaking for Myself here, but if your Fed raced in the old West Section of the SNFC you could participate in this venture, with the Solway birds included it would IMO have no bearing whatsoever on the "pattern" of the race so for me excluding them would at best be folly and at worst discrimination, neither of which fall into the category of Friendship and Inclusion. JMO, NOT a statement of fact because as with every other aspect of this proposition it will be decided by the officials on behalf of their members. Atvb for now. John.

 

This is my last contribution to the thread, now it's time to concentrate on getting this as far Forward as possible, as quickly as possible, to the benefit of all involved. John.

john we did have a combine formed it was called the grampian combine sadly only dundee and Angus fly in it now i wonder where the throphys went to that AJ SIM got for it sadly to say some members from different feds our own fed included it done every thing they could to destroy it thats pigeon men for yer

[Delboy]

But if you start winning more than yer fair share yer oot lol. :emoticon-0127-lipssealed:

 

:emoticon-0140-rofl:

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Well Davy, i suggest you get together with the other Feds on your side of the country and get it up and running too, instead of looking to disrupt our intentions. "I wonder how the Lanarshire boys would feel if all the other Feds got together and left them out"

That Question/Statement is bang out of order and its the type of thinking that holds our sport back and is probably why you's will never move forward.

 

I am only speaking for Myself here, but if your Fed raced in the old West Section of the SNFC you could participate in this venture, with the Solway birds included it would IMO have no bearing whatsoever on the "pattern" of the race so for me excluding them would at best be folly and at worst discrimination, neither of which fall into the category of Friendship and Inclusion. JMO, NOT a statement of fact because as with every other aspect of this proposition it will be decided by the officials on behalf of their members. Atvb for now. John.

 

This is my last contribution to the thread, now it's time to concentrate on getting this as far Forward as possible, as quickly as possible, to the benefit of all involved. John.

 

I appreciate that now a more valid reason to 'disqualify' the Northwest Fed from this set up has been provided over the original Geraldy transporter smokescreen.

 

Best of luck with this venture and I hope it's a success . If all goes to plan it could be the envy of all other Scottish feds

[yeboah]

well thats easy solved have it run for 3 years with federation only pools and prize moneys . If one area is taking the first 50 positions consistantly then its obviously of more benefit to one area to have open pools and prizes , if its spread about go for the full open pools and prizes . If you go for the full monty to start with and one areas cleans up all the rest will pull out and it wont last 3 years . but get it going to start with for the benefit of the birds at least

Good to read some common sence posts Rab !For the benefit of the birds

[sammy]

Tam & Tommy.

 

Tam and Tommy are neighbouring farmers, in the middle of the harvest Tommy's Combine Harvester broke down and he couldn't finish brining in his crop. Tam had just bought a brand new one and had finished his harvesting in jig time.

 

Now Tam could see Tommy was having difficulties, however he didn't want to offer his Harvester to Tommy in case he thought he was being a show off and cause offence to his neighbour.

 

Tommy on the other hand had thought to himself that he might be able to borrow Tam's new harvester to get his crops in and decided he would go and ask for a loan of it.

 

Off he went walking across the fields to ask Tam, but on the way over he started doubting himself and his neighbour saying "bet this smart Git says no" and hunts me off his ground. He carried on anyway but the thought of rejection was growing in his mind with every step he took until he totally convinced himself that Tam was DEFINITELY gonna say no.

( Of course Tam was just waiting to be asked so he could help his neighbour)

 

When Tommy got to Tam's door he knocked and Tam opened it, at which point Tommy blurted out "stick yer harvester where the sun don't shine" and promptly set off back across the fields.

 

My question is this, are you a Tam or a Tommy??

 

Seems to me there are a lot of Tommy's now commenting on this thread, looking for all possible negative outcomes and difficulties in the implementation of this idea, so i would ask you to have more faith in your neighbours and trust that they will only offer the hand of Friendship because that's the only type of hands i have, and the other officials that i have managed to contact are all of the same mind. So please place your trust in YOUR officilas by giving them the authority to decide things on your behalf, (or to negotiate an outcome as near as possible to the members mandate) with the full knowledge that the other officials they meet with will all offer a hand of friendship and co-operation to them. ATVB, John.

:emoticon-0137-clapping: :emoticon-0137-clapping: well said that man

[Novice]

There is absolutely no doubt that such a venture would benefit Ayrshire Federation.

Not only would the birds be on a true route but they would be transported in quality accommodation.

Everyone would benefit from strength in numbers and it is likely that federation overheads would be reduced.

This could be the lifeline which we need. Perhaps the challenge may even attract some fanciers back to South Road racing from their chosen North route.

 

Obviously there will be obstacles to be overcome but I see no killer concerns.

 

As far as young bird racing is concerned perhaps a race from about 200 miles before a national race may give our birds the distance and experience which the guys who race with the UNC already enjoy.

[Novice]

At last years EGM it was proposed that we stick to a programme for 3 years , and you no how that went.

as for the ones that voted against this, they could,nt get to stafford unless they went on the bus.

 

I could be wrong but my recollection is that the 3 year proposal was tabled after the race route had been decided by a fancier who stood to enjoy a geographical advantage from this route.

 

That in my opinion is simply not on.

 

Sorry for that comment if it detracts from the purpose of this thread.

[Chris Little]

its a great idea but personaly I would only want people in the races who are in the west section for national racing so no Solway or nw fed for me

 

Agree 100%

[Chris Little]

Definately 100 % correct:emoticon-0167-beer:

 

Well thanks a lot guys.

 

Just as I would expect

[tiger]

Well thanks a lot guys.

 

Just as I would expect

 

 

that's cause they don't want anybody beatin them

[dms5686]

that's cause they don't want anybody beatin them

no almond valley either:emoticon-0140-rofl: :emoticon-0140-rofl:

[AR]

its a great idea but personaly I would only want people in the races who are in the west section for national racing so no Solway or nw fed for me

What aboot members of the north west fed that are in the west section

[Walter swanston]

Federation officials have got to sell this idea to their management committees and to their members at the fed.AGM which is hard enough without having to cope with attacks from out with our own circles.There is no doubt that this is an imaginative and forward thinking proposal ,fanciers must realise that for Pigeon Racing in Scotland to survive we have all got to cooperate and accept new concepts and ideas so that the fancy can change and evolve to meet the challenges which we are faced with.

[tiger]

no almond valley either:emoticon-0140-rofl: :emoticon-0140-rofl:

 

rotten apples and barrel springs two mind :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[Guest stb-]

What aboot members of the north west fed that are in the west section

who are they ?? theres no norwest in the west section ,

 

[dms5686]

rotten apples and barrel springs two mind :emoticon-0136-giggle:

 

Club racing is all about getting your doos on a good route in the hope they will hold that route in a national that is why I want it west section fanciers only