Changes, If Any, We Want In The Snfc ?

[Guest stb-]

1,2,3,4 and 5 complete madness sorry mate

there all great ideas its you thats MAD :emoticon-0136-giggle: Edited July 25, 2013 by stb-

[VMS]

there all great ideas its you thats MAD :emoticon-0136-giggle:

They said Einstein was mad

[blue pied]

Could we discuss what changes we think would make the SNFC the best racing organisation in the UK, the accolade it once had.

Ill start it,with what I think would help things.

 

1. Total Security, a sub committee that deals with this contoversial subject.

2. Total transparency,accounts made available to all SNFC members with break down of all income/expenditure.

3. Modern website, photos, write ups , averages, ace pigeons, overall member performances etc.

4. Central marking at channel races, out lying places would have pigeons ferried in by appointed drivers who would be subsidised for this.

5. A wee bit radical here but I still say an invention of a breaking point plus fatigue factor formula.

6. A paid transport manager that is answerable only to the members.( he/she is completely responsible for all transportation/convoyers etc )

7. The Secretarys position to be made part time or paid pro rata on membership, ie £8- £10 a member.

8. Hand picked respected workers for marking stations.We have anybody handling the birds now which is very amateurish and away from tradition.

Derek where would u have the break point?

[Guest stb-]

They said Einstein was mad

he was lol and ugleeeeee like you 2

[yeboah]

Reading some of the posts Einstein was correct when he said Genius has its limits lol .

[Guest stb-]

Derek where would u have the break point?

croy :emoticon-0167-beer:

[Delboy]

Derek where would u have the break point?

 

All depends on wind, drag and first birds timed m8.Dont exactly know how it would work but I defo know it would level things up a wee bit, but you will never get it 100% fair.

[thunderbigbaws]

If possible when there is a poor weather report that the marking be changed to

Suit the weather saves them sitting in the basket 6/7 days before liberation or

Even moving the lib forward or back?

 

this is the best change ive read :emoticon-0137-clapping:

[Delboy]

I think we should phone our pigeon in with our time and distance and like other nationals in the UK, we can have a run down of whos winning the national.As birds are phoned in the result changes, not a difficult thing to set up imo.

[peter2010]

IMHO I think the set of the snfc for marking for lanarkshire nowadays has went to the dogs I have only started back last year and was last away with the snfc 2005 which I can honesty say is night and day at Newhouse is the first time at marking I have ever heard them asking for people to help put birds through and also you see people walking about freely behind the basket line this was a no no before

[thunderbigbaws]

I think we should phone our pigeon in with our time and distance and like other nationals in the UK, we can have a run down of whos winning the national.As birds are phoned in the result changes, not a difficult thing to set up imo.

 

think im right in saying in wales if you dont phone your time in with in a certain amount of time you are disquilefeid.

[Guest stb-]

think im right in saying in wales if you dont phone your time in with in a certain amount of time you are disquilefeid.

that sounds sore is it in welsh ,!!!!!!!!!lol

[Delboy]

think im right in saying in wales if you dont phone your time in with in a certain amount of time you are disquilefeid.

 

It happens all over Brian,they also have a stamp on the pigeons wing that has to be quoted by the fancier when phoning in. Ye see , its all about security in other nationals. Their was a pigeon in Holland that won the national but the guy was late phoning it in so it was disqualified, but unbelievably, the bird won the same national the following year. It was called Jaapi.

 

that sounds sore is it in welsh ,!!!!!!!!!lol

 

lol

[Delboy]

IMHO I think the set of the snfc for marking for lanarkshire nowadays has went to the dogs I have only started back last year and was last away with the snfc 2005 which I can honesty say is night and day at Newhouse is the first time at marking I have ever heard them asking for people to help put birds through and also you see people walking about freely behind the basket line this was a no no before

 

Doesnt sound too good m8.

[MIK]

from an outsider lookin in

 

Ye cant agree on the colour of chite between ye all... which is sad really.

 

as im aware the SNFC was created for the distance, and changes within last 15-10 years have made more inlands and this fight will not be won unless the membership vote for it.

the birdage isnt there anymore for the big ones not becuz of the inland nationals, but becuz of the BOP problem.

 

The BOP problem needs sorted first ...then arrange your programmes and the the reconciliation between SNFC & SNRPC.

 

Derek has a good few points to put forward,but security id like to hear more on,

i say hold till Bop is sorted and the SNFC should put pressure on the RPRA rapter alliance group to see what the *expletive removed* is happening...(cuz sure as *expletive removed* i dont know)

 

Gulkie suggested the Lib variations according to weather..positive and forward thinking.

 

Cumbernauld's open race is a start to reconciliation...needs more

thought.

 

Before all the bickering starts just b4 AGM...give a thought to the fanciers in da North

 

just lookin from outside in

 

atb all

Mick

[Guest bigda]

the Nat men know they have a way out of the big hill and dog leg issue, but there are guys i class as like, the dog in the manger, they cant eat the straw but they don't want anyone that can eat it get at it, i have said before you can have 600 mile races or 700 mile races if you want, and every fancier going there will never be any more than 25 mile from that distance flown from the races from west coast out at sea from Ireland and using GPS

A boats sets sail lands at DOT, marks the spot. and birds are let go with a predominately west wind, the velocity's will be in the 1900 min ever race, with no or very little hawks till they hit the west coast, and with every loft no further than 34 mile from the inland to there loft, I think AT 34 mile AND AT speed the bop will not have a hope in hell stopping birds get home. where as at 540 mile race from France having to fly over 350 Mile of dry land, giving Percy plenty of time to strike at will all the way home. start using the head lads we have the technology now that we did not have before , first race from Ireland if you wanted is from skibbereen 340 mile before the boat goes out to sea for further races, every fancier in the race is equal whats wrong with that, the birds will Starburst for home, the best bird wins it no dog legging, to worry about no wind the same wind for every one. the bravest bird wins the race for who every faces the Irish sea first. that is the only way the national could have a race and say, its the most fairest way for all its members

[Delboy]

Definately slightly fairer Danny but pigeon fanciers dont want fairness.

[yeboah]

the Nat men know they have a way out of the big hill and dog leg issue, but there are guys i class as like, the dog in the manger, they cant eat the straw but they don't want anyone that can eat it get at it, i have said before you can have 600 mile races or 700 mile races if you want, and every fancier going there will never be any more than 25 mile from that distance flown from the races from west coast out at sea from Ireland and using GPS

A boats sets sail lands at DOT, marks the spot. and birds are let go with a predominately west wind, the velocity's will be in the 1900 min ever race, with no or very little hawks till they hit the west cost, and with every loft no further than 34 mile from the inland to there loft, I think AT 34 mile AND AT speed the bop will not have a hope in hell stopping birds get home. where as at 540 mile race from France having to fly over 350 Mile of dry land, giving Percy plenty of time to strike at will all the way home. start using the head lads we have the technology now that we did not have before , first race from Ireland if you wanted is from skibbereen 340 mile before the boat goes out to sea for further races, every fancier in the race is equal whats wrong with that, the birds will Starburst for home, the best bird wins it no dog legging, to worry about no wind the same wind for every one. the bravest bird wins the race for who every faces the Irish sea first. that is the only way the national could have a race and say, its the most fairest way for all its members

With the present marking set up that would mean the birds riding out a force 7-10storm mid Atlantic waiting on good weather can you imagine the convoyer s trying to feed and water them FAiRYTALE springs to mind .

[naedoos]

the Nat men know they have a way out of the big hill and dog leg issue, but there are guys i class as like, the dog in the manger, they cant eat the straw but they don't want anyone that can eat it get at it, i have said before you can have 600 mile races or 700 mile races if you want, and every fancier going there will never be any more than 25 mile from that distance flown from the races from west coast out at sea from Ireland and using GPS

A boats sets sail lands at DOT, marks the spot. and birds are let go with a predominately west wind, the velocity's will be in the 1900 min ever race, with no or very little hawks till they hit the west cost, and with every loft no further than 34 mile from the inland to there loft, I think AT 34 mile AND AT speed the bop will not have a hope in hell stopping birds get home. where as at 540 mile race from France having to fly over 350 Mile of dry land, giving Percy plenty of time to strike at will all the way home. start using the head lads we have the technology now that we did not have before , first race from Ireland if you wanted is from skibbereen 340 mile before the boat goes out to sea for further races, every fancier in the race is equal whats wrong with that, the birds will Starburst for home, the best bird wins it no dog legging, to worry about no wind the same wind for every one. the bravest bird wins the race for who every faces the Irish sea first. that is the only way the national could have a race and say, its the most fairest way for all its members

 

 

 

 

Think you've had too much o this stuff Danny

[harky]

Why not split the lib, east up there selfs and west up after there birds have cleared.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Why not split the lib, east up there selfs and west up after there birds have cleared.

If inland races are to remain within the SNFC, then I would agree in two different libs, a-e-f with b-c-d-g liberating together. Each winner would have the accolade of being a Semi-National winnner.

[geordie1234]

As this was my first year sending with the SNFC newhouse marking was way way below what I was expecting for a NATIONAL marking station. The premises was not the only problem there was completely no organisation, before anyone starts I was on the ringer 3 times at the 3 races I went too so I do help out when asked and when I can.

 

Even if there was a SNFC rep standing at the front of the que telling people what table to go to when a table came free would make so much difference

 

I know the sport is mostly made up of the older generation but there was guys standing for hours that looked like they barely could walk surely these guys could get a fast pass right up to the front?

 

I think it would be a good idea to try and arrange all helpers before the marking so there is select guys in place to help and no others would have to be found on the night, then there would be no need for anyone walking behind the basket line who shouldn't be there. ( I know finding folk can't always be possible)

 

I think the SNFC should go to all races on there own no duplications whatsoever.

 

Also I think the SNFC should buy it's own transporter and convoy to all races on there own if the price per pigeon had to go up so be it........Pigeons at the longest race flying up in batches of MNFC doos dropping off in some areas 300 miles south of were the pigeons are homing too must be a killer for the pigeons flying up to Scotland

 

 

The first 3 points should be very easy to sort the next two more difficult. I wouldn't really comment on the programme because I don't think I have the knowledge to given an accurate opinion on plus I don't think that is the only issue

 

 

I do realise I haven't been in the doos long enough to wear out a scraper as Henrik pointed out but all I want to see is a club for me to enjoy when I'm the same age as you guys

[BLACK W F]

all changes and race prog election of office bearers to be done by postal ballot no more agm meetings that makes it more democratic JMO

[geordie1234]

all changes and race prog election of office bearers to be done by postal ballot no more agm meetings that makes it more democratic JMO

Would agree with that you would probably get a more accurate vote aswell as people would vote how they wanted and not what there pals wanted them to vote

[ALF]

After the shambles of a meeting at the SNFC AGM am really surprised no one has said change the president???