Why Didnt They Make It ?

[andy Burgess]

Ye ye got it bad Andy, we have all been there, you will just have to go with what made it now mate.When I said not good enough I would rephrase to say they wer not on the day! That does not make it any better for you I know. Bad luck but CANARIES aint the way to go!!!!!

thanks Steve .

 

It's an atmosphere problem I think, I also believe something happened to the leaders on sat! My first pigeon would have been 10th choice from 10 sent and majority I spoke too got unfancied birds (not everyone of course) but loads said it was there under performers! My bird that was 6th fed last week and has 4x1st clubs and nat diplomas is missing! I got all yearlings so I find it interesting that me, Gary and Andy are missing our main birds from same race!! And many other fanciers down main doo's so has leaders ran into problems? Has experienced doo's tried to use heads to avoid something and flew into trouble and others battered on! Who knows and no disrespect to leading birds by the way! Am only giving 1view, no one can know for sure

i would agree Brian (apart from my first home) the ones that came ,i would expect to drift in a little later (due to type) .

 

there is no dout its a mix of things andy but number one just now is health then clashing and bop k factor and earthquakes for f k sake whats next aliens load of crap im the proof yearlings and latebreds getting home ripped to shreds but there home not because there better or smarter than anyone elses birds but because i can keep away the sickness thats going through the baskets m8 and now so can you even if there days or weeks late it will not make rubbish birds win it just keeps the good birds healthy pal good luck and chin up

thanks Wattie ,i dont give up easily ,but do like to find answers to what i see as a problem.

 

aandy we get that type of racing here very regualr for years , and its par for the course most races loose 2 or 3 doos from your team at 90 miles never see them again one is the previous weeks wwinner other 2 are fed winners , nothing new there i get it all the time even at training tosses and so do lots of others especially from here over into ayrshire your race on sat would be classed as good to a lot

if thats how its going to be Rob , i will have find something to thicken my skin further

[VMS]

They get mixed up with other pigeons find themselfs in unknown teratory and don't have the reserves to return home,this can happen to the best pigeons and for me has nothing to do with health.many experienced pigeons that have flown the channel several times are going down from short distance races ,these pigeons belong to good fanciers that could identify health issues so not health for me when good pigeons go astray

[andy Burgess]

just had 1 reported in Newcastle, flown out

[Guest stb-]

They get mixed up with other pigeons find themselfs in unknown teratory and don't have the reserves to return home,this can happen to the best pigeons and for me has nothing to do with health.many experienced pigeons that have flown the channel several times are going down from short distance races ,these pigeons belong to good fanciers that could identify health issues so not health for me when good pigeons go astray

correct wincent not always health issues , when your loosing exsperienced winning pigeons even at 30 mile tosses theres more causing it than health . especially when the loft is winniing happening to loads of guys good doos not turning in .

 

I lost the best cock in my loft at weatherby 2 weeks ago , He landed yest at 2pm he has been ripped down back of neck over shoulder and tallon holes in breast . Lucky pigeon but shows what happens to them and itshappening far to often

[novo10]

Ofcoarse they won't stop the winners because there is winners in every race.

 

I have saw with my own eyes unhealthy chappers turning doos back, yes they healthy doos will eventually leave them but its the floating about at lib point that causes part of the problem imo

Geordie there's no chance of that happening lmo

[daviedoo22]

exactly ,its not the doo,s or the fancier . so what is it ??

PEREGRINE

[Guest IB]

I think it is helpful to remember that it is homing pigeons we are talking about and they are called that because they come home... some maybes not fast enough to win the race but they should be able to get themselves home. You only have to look at some of the injuries these hardy wee souls pick up on the way to realise how strong that urge to get home is.

 

For years now its plain that they're not coming home and we still don't know for certain why. A clubmate talked about a kind of trench warfare thinking that has now set in where some fanciers / federations class 50% returns as a 'good race', substantial losses as nothing new, something to be expected, and part and parcel of pigeon racing . IMO it's not..

 

We need to stop theorising and mount some kind of large scale investigation to discover for definite whats happening to our birds out there, what is affecting their homing ability. One wee alarm bell for me was the recent EU banning of a crop pesticide because it interfered with bee's homing ability. Is it being used in the fields on crops that end up in the pigeon loft?

[daviedoo22]

bad doo.s will not stop the winners nor will they turn them they wont keep up and just go down , jmo

AND MINE.

[moscow master]

One of my mates rings Percy's he's high up in the bto and he tells me a pair rearing young will take at least 300 pigeons that's a fact so like where I live I know of at least 12 nest sites do the maths it not rocket science

[peter pandy]

All very interesting however no one has mentioned feeding and the lack of protein in the majority of feeds. I remember years ago when everyone fed mainly bean mixtures and the continental feeds came on the market which had little protein and after a 4 hour fly the birds returned like darts.

[daviedoo22]

One of my mates rings Percy's he's high up in the bto and he tells me a pair rearing young will take at least 300 pigeons that's a fact so like where I live I know of at least 12 nest sites do the maths it not rocket science

Exactly, the minute pigeons take time to clear the area they are being slaughtered.There was a post on here last year when a guy witnessed hundreds of doo's being chased out to sea.

[Guest stb-]

When I started the doos in 89 even the rubbish came home just later or they were on the darter in the morning seldom happens now as there scattered to the four winds way the bop its gradually getting worse every year nothing to do with the sun and the moon ,mobile fones etc get it into your heids its the bop end of and it will only get worse for instance you take your birds a 20 ml toss ten times no probs then next time you go get home not a bird to be seen then one then a couple by the next day couple down and birds look pumpit its not because someone's made a fone call or what ever other nonsense that's goin about its the bop and if your doos are getting spooked 200 mls from home and there left on there own it's a 200 ml single up way a spooked doo that's the problem I've seen it too often that's my rant over all the best everyone at the first national

110% spot on m8 they blame everything else apart from the culprits .

 

PEREGRINES

[daviedoo22]

Over the last 10 years the peregrine population has soared, jesus christ they are putting up nest boxes in towns and are calling them the "urban peregrine". Is it just coincidence that our quality of raceing over the past years is getting beyond a joke.I have heard all the excuses,clashing,illness,weather,doo's not being properly trained,etc,etc.I have witnessed first hand a few peregrine strikes on my birds while training and it is unbelievable what they do to escape.I honestly dont see a future in pigeon raceing unless there is a decline in the numbers of peregrine falcons.

[daviedoo22]

110% spot on m8 they blame everything else apart from the culprits .

 

PEREGRINES

THANK YOU.

[yeboah]

Over the last 10 years the peregrine population has soared, jesus christ they are putting up nest boxes in towns and are calling them the "urban peregrine". Is it just coincidence that our quality of raceing over the past years is getting beyond a joke.I have heard all the excuses,clashing,illness,weather,doo's not being properly trained,etc,etc.I have witnessed first hand a few peregrine strikes on my birds while training and it is unbelievable what they do to escape.I honestly dont see a future in pigeon raceing unless there is a decline in the numbers of peregrine falcons.

So very true i am getting stray birds in by the basket full every weekend nothing wrong with there health well most of them some not fit to be sent to a race in the first place but the ok one's are being knocked out of the sky, they are every few miles now, working north of beattock last couple of days doing roofwork with mechanical hoist just across from quarry and have been watching the falcons birds have no chance .

[blue lad]

Aye 33mls off Whitby over 300 Nehu birds on 1st Sep 2012'it was a strong wind from land westerly.

It was just murder all young birds must have been hugging the coast when two perigrines struck.Panic

stations and they just went with the wind out to sea .Allong with the pair of falcons.they only took five up to the derrick to eat. the reast they just dived and drove into walls wires and the sea all day and night Sunday .it was just murder nothing less.!

[geordie1234]

Yes it is peregrines and they appear when chappers hawd the doos back at lib point when they clear well we get better racing when they hing aboot ye know its gonny be a stinker

[walterboswell59]

so lets all get together every club in britain and sort it 3 to 4 weeks before yb racing starts lets all keep our birds in the loft and get them moved on one week of every club helping at the same time in every area no point in coming on here every other day moaning about it lets get off our backsides and do something to help our selfs because nobody else will

[gulkie]

These birds are not only getting attacked at lib point it's every

Other 1/2 mile on the way home and sent in all directions north

South east and west .Walter it's a good idea but when did you

Last hear of all pigeon men want to do anything as a group we

Can't agree about anything, and until we do the sport will stay

On a downward trend,sad but true.

[b.massey]

I think the governing body should ban birds out from Oct to January! I know this will upset people as Xmas racing is local here but a few months with none of our doo's out could see a few struggle over winter! If people need birds out section to clean then can just be basketed up and be down to the club officials to keep everyone inside rules

[blaz]

I think the governing body should ban birds out from Oct to January! I know this will upset people as Xmas racing is local here but a few months with none of our doo's out could see a few struggle over winter! If people need birds out section to clean then can just be basketed up and be down to the club officials to keep everyone inside rules

 

that will never happen bri

[b.massey]

that will never happen bri

 

 

 

Don't mean it should not tho

[blaz]

Don't mean it should not tho

 

you are right their bri. tell the die hard xmus racers not to let birds out

[IanO]

I agree pigeon men can't agree over most things but one thing everyone seems to do nowadays is breed to many young birds. Maybe we should be more selective with our breeding and stop supplying the hawks with a massive amount of food year in year out. Instead of breeding 120 youngsters because the hawks will take 60 only breed the 60 to start with and cut down their food supply. Remember they can't rear young if the food supply is not there. JMO.

[lanarkshire lad]

I think the governing body should ban birds out from Oct to January! I know this will upset people as Xmas racing is local here but a few months with none of our doo's out could see a few struggle over winter! If people need birds out section to clean then can just be basketed up and be down to the club officials to keep everyone inside rules

Cant see that working these raptors are versatile and will find plenty other food sources they don't need our pigeons to survive the hard winter.