Ets Set Up.

[MIK]

Sounds perfect

 

thanks Bill

 

I thought it through and thought i was close , but the rules are that obscure, who knows whats right until challenged.

 

Mick

[walterboswell59]

Im going to use ets first time this year. I dont know why, i was quite happy with T3.

 

If ye all can try and picture this without photo as i havent made box yet.

 

I normally had a drop trap on landing board, but i intend to make a box to cover drop so i can include pad. Pad will be underneath landing board in close proximity to drop, an external box will be made to completely cover width of pad with bob wires external to pad. Box will also have a flip lid that can close.

 

Now this is my pickle, i would like to make this box portable, and by that i mean move to YB loft later on in the year. It can and will be screwed to whatever loft its in.

 

would be nice to hear thoughts on this.

 

atb

Mick mick as long as the bird goes through bobs be fore it times its legal

[walterboswell59]

Yes, it's the bird that has to be confined for timing, I presume this rule is to make it fair to members using clocks

correct m8

[cemetary]

Mick mick as long as the bird goes through bobs be fore it times its legal

 

 

What would be your views on this.

 

What about this then.

[MIK]

Walter that is the plan that thru bobs then pad. But i hear others telling me differnent and im confused

 

Mik

[MIK]

Mick mick as long as the bird goes through bobs be fore it times its legal

 

 

What would be your views on this.

 

What about this then.

 

Thats exactly what people are telling me, bobs dont need to be down for bird to be clocked as long as pad is in confines of loft.

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[cemetary]

Thats exactly what people are telling me, bobs dont need to be down for bird to be clocked as long as pad is in confines of loft.

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Mick, your 100% correct mate, if i have a bird that homes and clocks himself in, and decides to go back out, well tough he cant clock himself in twice, and the pad is withing the hut, answers on a stamp.

[MIK]

jasus Cem what if it was a hen the first time :emoticon-0140-rofl:

 

but point taken

 

Mick

[cemetary]

jasus Cem what if it was a hen the first time :emoticon-0140-rofl:

 

but point taken

 

Mick

 

 

Its fine if you only race hens mate,

 

But hey,that pigeons mate.

[billt]

Thats exactly what people are telling me, bobs dont need to be down for bird to be clocked as long as pad is in confines of loft.

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No, Bobs should be down, I think we all accept that pads shouldn't be under landing boards, hence pad in loft on open door before bobs is a no no, after all open door is a big landing board, I think there are a lot of lofts operating their ETS illegally, some mistakenly and many others intentionally, more checks needed I think

[cemetary]

No, Bobs should be down, I think we all accept that pads shouldn't be under landing boards, hence pad in loft on open door before bobs is a no no, after all open door is a big landing board, I think there are a lot of lofts operating their ETS illegally, some mistakenly and many others intentionally, more checks needed I think

 

 

As long as the bird is confined to the loft before clocking.

[MIK]

No, Bobs should be down, I think we all accept that pads shouldn't be under landing boards, hence pad in loft on open door before bobs is a no no, after all open door is a big landing board, I think there are a lot of lofts operating their ETS illegally, some mistakenly and many others intentionally, more checks needed I think

 

Bill im of same belief, but there no consistency in the rules to enforce this. So i would forget about checks and enforce a clearer rule to determine whats right.

 

Mick

[Henrik]

So if a bird is in a stall trap, behind the bobs then this is illegal as well as you could take the rubber off and the bird could then escape back out. Surely these birds should be confined as well.

[billt]

Bill im of same belief, but there no consistency in the rules to enforce this. So i would forget about checks and enforce a clearer rule to determine whats right.

 

Mick

 

Yes I think you are right, the ruling on this has been badly worded and obviously causes confusion which is not acceptable, A bit more thought and clearer guide lines are needed

[walterboswell59]

Walter that is the plan that thru bobs then pad. But i hear others telling me differnent and im confused

 

Mik

mik its deff right just make sure box is broad enough so bird has to be inside before it can stand on pad not just stick head through bobs and time and if box is screwed on its part of the loft same as a sputnic but these are best as some birds dont like bobs and waste time going in as i said ive tried them all and sputnics are best and legal with pad on the floor partion at back with small hole cut so bird cant miss the pad easy m8

[walterboswell59]

So if a bird is in a stall trap, behind the bobs then this is illegal as well as you could take the rubber off and the bird could then escape back out. Surely these birds should be confined as well.

you are tech correct and i agree with you but a bird only wants out a stall trap when it finds bobs are shut when bobs are open the bird has no reason to want out so kinda splitting hairs

[walterboswell59]

Bill im of same belief, but there no consistency in the rules to enforce this. So i would forget about checks and enforce a clearer rule to determine whats right.

 

Mick

this is the reason the shu rule is bird must be trapped it covers all objections because if bird is trapped the rubber can be removed any thing else theres way round trapped stops people trying to work an advantage and is more fair to guys with clocks if we all had ets then we would not need the rule we would all just put them under the landing board then we are all the same

[clockman]

this is the reason the shu rule is bird must be trapped it covers all objections because if bird is trapped the rubber can be removed any thing else theres way round trapped stops people trying to work an advantage and is more fair to guys with clocks if we all had ets then we would not need the rule we would all just put them under the landing board then we are all the same

 

 

what page is the rule on,?

[dal2]

RULES FOR ELECTRONIC TIMING SYSTEMS (ETS)

An up-to-date list of SHU Approved ETS is available from the SHU Office

For Rules governing clocks requiring rubber rings – See SHU Clock Rules

The following separate rules apply to Electronic Timing Systems (ETS):

RULES

1. The only ETS recognised will be those approved by the SHU as amended

from time to time REFER TO SHU OFFICE

2. Electronic Timing Systems must be fitted within the loft.

3. Permanent records to be retained by the club.

4. Only versions of software approved by SHU are acceptable.

5. Access Codes, electronic key and Club system must be administered by

person authorised by the Club.

6. Rubber Rings are not required with ETS. Where race organisers use

Double Rubber Rings as safeguard, entries fitted with ETS can also be

double rung.

7. A) Clubs with Electronic Radio Clock Master Timer and Master GPS do

not require to get checks from Federation Master Timers but must have

their radio clocks/Master GPS checked and registered annually with the

Federation.

Clubs without Radio Master Timer/Master GPS must manually set and

check times with Federation Master Timer

8. Organisation Officials have the right to inspect trapping system used.

9. ETS can only record the arrival time after the pigeon has entered the loft.

10. In the event of an escape, where required, ETS birds must have their

official Union ID Ring Number recorded.

11. Assignment or marking of pigeons to be carried out by personnel

authorised by Organisation

11(a) Where a member has rings assigned to his ETS by authorised personnel

out with the club, said member must supply his organisation with a print out of all

the birds so assigned a minimum of 14 days prior to first race, unless by special

arrangement with his organisation23

11( After assignment of ETS rings, where Rules 11 and 11(a) have been

adhered to, there is no requirement for ETS systems to be returned to the

organisation 14 days prior to racing

12. Competitor’s names, race and date to be recorded on all ETS print outs

for race, and signed by ETS/Clock Setter/Convenor, or appointed

Club/Organisation Official, and retained for one year or following AGM.

13. Only Electronic Rings purchased from the Scottish Homing Union can be

used with ETS.

14. ETS do not require to be controlled.

15. Operating procedures before, during and after races should be in

accordance with manufacturer’s instructions. Responsibility for providing

manufacturers instruction manual to organisations rest with the owner of

the ETS.

16. The Club/Organisation has the power to detain any ETS they consider

doubtful.

17. In the event of an ETS failing to re

 

Looks pretty straight forward to me?

[greenlands]

No mention of bob wires then Steve ?

[dal2]

No mention of bob wires then Steve ?

No mention of much at all Lindsay, unless there is an amendment to the rule?

[PIGEON_MAN]

RULES FOR ELECTRONIC TIMING SYSTEMS (ETS)

An up-to-date list of SHU Approved ETS is available from the SHU Office

For Rules governing clocks requiring rubber rings – See SHU Clock Rules

The following separate rules apply to Electronic Timing Systems (ETS):

RULES

1. The only ETS recognised will be those approved by the SHU as amended

from time to time REFER TO SHU OFFICE

2. Electronic Timing Systems must be fitted within the loft.

3. Permanent records to be retained by the club.

4. Only versions of software approved by SHU are acceptable.

5. Access Codes, electronic key and Club system must be administered by

person authorised by the Club.

6. Rubber Rings are not required with ETS. Where race organisers use

Double Rubber Rings as safeguard, entries fitted with ETS can also be

double rung.

7. A) Clubs with Electronic Radio Clock Master Timer and Master GPS do

not require to get checks from Federation Master Timers but must have

their radio clocks/Master GPS checked and registered annually with the

Federation.

Clubs without Radio Master Timer/Master GPS must manually set and

check times with Federation Master Timer

8. Organisation Officials have the right to inspect trapping system used.

9. ETS can only record the arrival time after the pigeon has entered the loft.

10. In the event of an escape, where required, ETS birds must have their

official Union ID Ring Number recorded.

11. Assignment or marking of pigeons to be carried out by personnel

authorised by Organisation

11(a) Where a member has rings assigned to his ETS by authorised personnel

out with the club, said member must supply his organisation with a print out of all

the birds so assigned a minimum of 14 days prior to first race, unless by special

arrangement with his organisation23

11( After assignment of ETS rings, where Rules 11 and 11(a) have been

adhered to, there is no requirement for ETS systems to be returned to the

organisation 14 days prior to racing

12. Competitor’s names, race and date to be recorded on all ETS print outs

for race, and signed by ETS/Clock Setter/Convenor, or appointed

Club/Organisation Official, and retained for one year or following AGM.

13. Only Electronic Rings purchased from the Scottish Homing Union can be

used with ETS.

14. ETS do not require to be controlled.

15. Operating procedures before, during and after races should be in

accordance with manufacturer’s instructions. Responsibility for providing

manufacturers instruction manual to organisations rest with the owner of

the ETS.

16. The Club/Organisation has the power to detain any ETS they consider

doubtful.

17. In the event of an ETS failing to re

 

Looks pretty straight forward to me?

Think rule 9 explains it better,the actual wording in the RPRA rule is,The positioning of the ETS sensors/antennae will not be allowed on any landing board or other external surfaces in such a way that when the loft is closed no electronic chip ring may be recorded by the Electronic System Installed.

[clockman]

No mention of much at all Lindsay, unless there is an amendment to the rule?

 

 

No mention in the SHU 2012 club master copy 18-21,Still cant find the trapped rule.

[Henrik]

No mention in the SHU 2012 club master copy 18-21,Still cant find the trapped rule.

Thats because it isnt there

[PIGEON_MAN]

No mention in the SHU 2012 club master copy 18-21,Still cant find the trapped rule.

Suppose you could read rule 9 as being trapped in the loft,allthough it doesnt actually say so,think both the SHU and RPRA rules are confusing and can be taken differant ways.