Snfc Region Changes

[budgie]

Can’t say I was impressed at all. I knew from threads on here that a lot of people were not happy with the Region proposal, but that was no reason for the behaviour witnessed at the meeting. Everyone has a right to his and her opinion, yet there were some happy to see the man de-selected as President for voicing his. But naebody got killed in the rush to take his place, although the rumour mill had said there was someone ready and waiting to do that. The Committee are only human so can’t get it right all the time, witness the past management committee proposals put forward to the membership for the AGM that have been voted down by the membership at the meeting. He put his idea forward as a member and he is entitled to do that. He was also entitled to be heard, and when his time came, they didn’t want to hear anything he had to say – they wanted to go straight to a vote.

 

On a positive note I’m glad to see all race program proposals now being required to be notified in advance. We might have a chance of clearly understanding what is being proposed. Today I’d bother making out whether Newbury was being dropped in favour of another racepoint, but it turned out to be the race itself, and when Maidstone got the same treatment it was clear there was an agenda to drop the Inland Nationals – despite these being very popular – and funnily enough despite overwhelming support for keeping them at last AGM – yet the same came out this year again. Seems some can push what they think is right at more than one AGM, but if anybody else does so, he’s for the chop. Talk about double standards…

 

I hope the marking & transport arrangements will be looked at afresh by the committee. Delayed marking when weather forecasts are rubbish is a must – that’s what every Scottish Fed does - apart from Lanarkshire. 1 transporter going down the road when only 1 is needed is a must. Getting to the channel race point a lot faster and cheaper is a must, and I for one am not against joint convoying with any other Organisation, provided we have agreement that the birds are also liberated together. And feeding and watering the birds on 3 sides – outside the basket – is a must. Need to get a prototype basket of this type built in plastic, and /or aluminium.

 

If there was no casting vote your 1st Inland National would have been dropped and it tells you that we have to many races and how unfair it is when only a handfull of fanciers can Win the SNFC AVERAGES.

[tiger]

If there was no casting vote your 1st Inland National would have been dropped and it tells you that we have to many races and how unfair it is when only a handfull of fanciers can Win the SNFC AVERAGES.

mind andy the same can be said in fed averages

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

That was one of the biggest dissapointments for me tae Andy.

 

They are needing to do away with Maidstone and Leicester as well.This 'stepping stone' patter and it helps small feds is a complete load of nonsense.I really like J.B and think he is one of the greatest fliers of all time but have to disagree with him on this one.

 

The young bird national wasn't even discussed at the meeting

[tiger]

That was one of the biggest dissapointments for me tae Andy.

 

They are needing to do away with Maidstone and Leicester as well.This 'stepping stone' patter and it helps small feds is a complete load of nonsense.I really like J.B and think he is one of the greatest fliers of all time but have to disagree with him on this one.

 

The young bird national wasn't even discussed at the meeting

 

 

it was the member,s decided that these races stayed and as for the conduct of some of the members was shameful and i wont be back at the agm

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

it was the member,s decided that these races stayed and as for the conduct of some of the members was shameful and i wont be back at the agm

 

Can't disagree with you there John

 

Now this Region thing is dead and buried I'm sure Phil,with the right help, will do good by the SNFC.Hopefully he will be given the respect at future meetings a president deserves,regardless of what people think of him.

[hotrod]

Can't disagree with you there John

 

Now this Region thing is dead and buried I'm sure Phil,with the right help, will do good by the SNFC.Hopefully he will be given the respect at future meetings a president deserves,regardless of what people think of him.

Did u not here the doc yesterday he said he will bring it up again next year , I have to agree he is a very nice man ,but he can't hold a meeting ,he looked lost on the stage at times . I spoke to him after the meeting and wished him well and told him a thing or two e needs to address at he very first committee meeting ,he agreed with me.another thing I noticed yesterday was the lack of support from the previous committee. As most / a lot were not in attendance why?

[lanarkshire lad]

BANG ON AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE TO GIVE THE BIRDS A CHANCE

 

 

 

 

 

 

THAT,S WHERE THE REAL PIGEON MEN WERE

How do you work that out?

[Guest stb-]

The meeting was slow because it was clear most in the hall had their own agenda. Yes he made reference to it and other things in his report – and it was from this stage bleeding ITEM 2 on an Agenda of 9 items - that things started to get heated in the hall. He asked several times for people to calm down. And by ITEM 4, they were basically baying for blood – when has an outgoing President EVER been asked to give his Resolution BEFORE standing for re-election? And the guys that put that motion forward were sat in the next row to me so I could hear clearly what was being proposed. It was quiet enough after he left the meeting cos when his job was vacant and up for grabs, and SVP asked for nominations there was none, and no mad rush to fill the chair.

 

 

 

 

When he returned to the chair re-elected, he asked for nominations for SVP and JVP. JVP post is still vacant. He asked for nominations for Management Committee – he only got enough to form a quorum. So yes we were at 2 different meetings.

 

This is an extract from the very first post on this thread which just happens to be yours. As you say the photocopies were far from clear and nothing could be decided from them. At least one member on here didn’t get any map with the AGM agenda

 

 

 

That was also a complaint at the 2012 AGM when the presentation left a lot of people confused – myself included. He went to a lot of trouble to get the presentation right for this AGM and your post (below) quite clearly shows what happened when he tried to put forward his proposal using Powerpoint slides on a screen that everone in the hall could see - that's what it's for. In the end I didn’t vote for the proposal, but at least I had the good manners to hear the man out.

Ian from item 2 onwards the discontent was nothing to do with item 9 it was sporadic all over the hall as members could not hear what was being said most of the time and at the back could not hear what anyone on the floor was saying from the middle to the front , the top table could not make out what some were saying either , added to that and not knowing how things should be voted on and constantly asking sec whats next leads to frustration all over . I myslef was having to relay to some members sitting next to what was being said or what they were voting on .One actually voted on the wrong thing as when there was a re count he thought it was for the amended vote not the same one being re taken .

[dkj]

If there was no casting vote your 1st Inland National would have been dropped and it tells you that we have to many races and how unfair it is when only a handfull of fanciers can Win the SNFC AVERAGES.

 

how thats andy can you explain 2 me how only a handful of fanciers can win the nat averages.

[walterboswell59]

Well John,

I do believe Ian Brown has just put your post to bed and I am not going to add to it..

what a load of rubbish

[walterboswell59]

Rab, your post IMO perfectly sums up how the meeting went, their was no need for the slide show at the end as the members had read and new what the proposal was all about, personally I found the Presidents intimation that the members did not understand the difference between a section and a region derogatory and a insult on our intelligence

hear hear i think he thought he was speaking to the kids about his passion

[alec guinness]

Ian from item 2 onwards the discontent was nothing to do with item 9 it was sporadic all over the hall as members could not hear what was being said most of the time and at the back could not hear what anyone on the floor was saying from the middle to the front , the top table could not make out what some were saying either , added to that and not knowing how things should be voted on and constantly asking sec whats next leads to frustration all over . I myslef was having to relay to some members sitting next to what was being said or what they were voting on .One actually voted on the wrong thing as when there was a re count he thought it was for the amended vote not the same one being re taken .

 

have been at national meetings since the 80s and whenever there has been a contensious issue emotions tend to run high,i dont think the meeting was rowdy but maybe an additional mike with someone under the presidents instruction passed to the person on the floor would have helped!! high school and football stadium auditoriums have been used lately and we usually avoid these problems and maybe being in a primary school gym hall did not help!!

[Guest stb-]

have been at national meetings since the 80s and whenever there has been a contensious issue emotions tend to run high,i dont think the meeting was rowdy but maybe an additional mike with someone under the presidents instruction passed to the person on the floor would have helped!! high school and football stadium auditoriums have been used lately and we usually avoid these problems and maybe being in a primary school gym hall did not help!!

yes john meeting deffo wasnt rowdy and the sound dissapears in these big halls with the high ceilings .There was a wee fellow spoke at the end and even with the mic still could not hear a word he said at the rear of hall .

[JohnQuinn]

Well John,

I do believe Ian Brown has just put your post to bed and I am not going to add to it..

 

Well Peter,

I do believe you and Ian share the MINORITY view on this subject and Like Phil you's should accept it and move on

[peter pandy]

Well Peter,

I do believe you and Ian share the MINORITY view on this subject and Like Phil you's should accept it and move on

John when you are running a meeting and people will not allow debate then its not a meeting for discussion and listening to other peoples views. A rabble comes to mind.

Certain persons perhaps including yourself had your own agenda and disruption was the name of the game.

I have been to many a union meeting where voices are stragetically placed to cause as much havoc as possible and in my opinion this was carried out. I accepted the fact regarding the regions and voted for change due to the unfairness and by the way I am in the West section sorry Region.

[JohnQuinn]

I do believe i stood up and Clarified 1 or 2 points that the members either didn't hear or were unsure of, so as for disruption, you couldn't be farther from the truth as far as i am concerned.

I already had the same discussions with Phil on Monday night as did other committee members so come the meeting i was Obliged to put my own and that of my fellow committee members views forward on this subject, not excluding the members from my area who's views i was presenting. I have no axe to grind with Phil but i couldn't disagree with him MORE on this subject . Also i wasn't Strategically seated to cause disruption as you have suggested, in case you never noticed i was "working" at the door and took the first seat that caught my eye when the meeting started.

Also imo, the lack of volunteers to take up committee seats reflects the lack of confidence in the chair too.

[Guest bigda]

AS you all know i warned you all about this meeting before hand and the map was a deliberate scam to hoodwink the members if it was not the case why was there a side show Phil was caught out he did not think that the men from the west could read a map there fore he had no ears on wile getting told by 12 or more committee that his proposal is not on it would have suited him better to say we are getting our own transporter or for the next 5 years you don't need to pay member ship you are a club but your are not ment to rat hole money away, yous are well over the top with this fund as it against your constitution BIGDA as is

[knoxjn]

i was present yesterday and the problems were coming from the stage they seemed to have no idea how to conduct it even the agenda was jumping from one thing to another i could not say that john quinn was disruptive at all he asked pertinent questions when he felt the need the only time i saw him angry was when the president told him he was naive and by the way i dont even know the man

[VMS]

WHAT IS THE RACE PROGRAM,AND WHO ARE THE NEW COMMITTEE.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

have been at national meetings since the 80s and whenever there has been a contensious issue emotions tend to run high,i dont think the meeting was rowdy but maybe an additional mike with someone under the presidents instruction passed to the person on the floor would have helped!! high school and football stadium auditoriums have been used lately and we usually avoid these problems and maybe being in a primary school gym hall did not help!!

 

 

Got to agree with you John on all your points, lets hope that the committee don't return to the same venue in 2014, very frustrating when you cant hear what fanciers have to say.

[JohnQuinn]

WHAT IS THE RACE PROGRAM,AND WHO ARE THE NEW COMMITTEE.

 

Awright Vinny, the program is Newbury 8/6/13, Maidstone 22/6/13, Alencon 28.6.13 Ypres PLUS the longest rce (probably Tours 6/7/13 Clermont 19/7/13 and Leicester YBN 14/9/13.

 

Don't know who took the committee positions that got filled but another 7 or 8 are needed.

[VMS]

Awright Vinny, the program is Newbury 8/6/13, Maidstone 22/6/13, Alencon 28.6.13 Ypres PLUS the longest rce (probably Tours 6/7/13 Clermont 19/7/13 and Leicester YBN 14/9/13.

 

Don't know who took the committee positions that got filled but another 7 or 8 are needed.

Cheers John.

[alec guinness]

WHAT IS THE RACE PROGRAM,AND WHO ARE THE NEW COMMITTEE.

 

hope you will be having a bash Vinnie,the tours race with the Midland national could be very tasty!!!

[novo10]

AS you all know i warned you all about this meeting before hand and the map was a deliberate scam to hoodwink the members if it was not the case why was there a side show Phil was caught out he did not think that the men from the west could read a map there fore he had no ears on wile getting told by 12 or more committee that his proposal is not on it would have suited him better to say we are getting our own transporter or for the next 5 years you don't need to pay member ship you are a club but your are not ment to rat hole money away, yous are well over the top with this fund as it against your constitution BIGDA as is

here u want us who are 69 mile from eyemouth to be in theyre section when am only 7 mile fae newmains thats fair aye nae bother

[ALF]

here u want us who are 69 mile from eyemouth to be in theyre section when am only 7 mile fae newmains thats fair aye nae bother

Too late to greet noo get tae the meeting and say yer bit!!!