Snfc Gold Cup

[VMS]

I'd stick my hand up at the AGM in support of this program.One thing I think could maybe improve the said program would be having Ypres on the third Friday in June if possible.Lead to believe there would be an awful lot of traffic to contend with if this was a Saturday race.

 

Back to Gold Cup I'd like to see a way of edging towards a joint convoy with the SNRPC for one race a year,the Gold Cup being the one.The SNRPC seem a bit more stable as far as race program is concerned than the SNFC and can't imagine them straying too far from Reims next season.I'd like to see the SNFC at Reims being liberated at the same time as the SNRPC-call it whatever you wish and present the results in whatever format,it'd be a good day for Scottish pigeon racing in my opinion

 

If the SNFC adopted the any union rule i dont believe that the SNRPC would still be in existence,simple solution to unity in Scottish distance racing.The SHU members would still be members so no support for the union would be lost.whats the problem simple in my eyes.Get it done at the AGM and we will have a Scottish national again.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

If the SNFC adopted the any union rule i dont believe that the SNRPC would still be in existence,simple solution to unity in Scottish distance racing.The SHU members would still be members so no support for the union would be lost.whats the problem simple in my eyes.Get it done at the AGM and we will have a Scottish national again.

 

Whats stopping this happening??

[Guest Hey Presto]

Because the SNRPC was formed to allow people who tried to destroy the SHU an avenue to fly their birds over the water after they split Feds and left fanciers with nothing. Maybe you cannot remember this,but I will never forgive or forget what these people done to me and my Federation.

I agree with u henrik let them stew

[Henrik]

Whats stopping this happening??

The SNFC has a long association with the SHU and there is no reason to revoke this, If i want to fly Tarbes or Saintes then I would have to join the RPRA no matter how distasteful this would be for me. The rules are simple, to be a member of the SNFC all you have to do is join the SHU, no need to complicate things.

[VMS]

The SNFC has a long association with the SHU and there is no reason to revoke this, If i want to fly Tarbes or Saintes then I would have to join the RPRA no matter how distasteful this would be for me. The rules are simple, to be a member of the SNFC all you have to do is join the SHU, no need to complicate things.

 

The rule needs changed for the good of the Scottish fancy,time to put personal feelings aside and look to the future for the sake of the sport not dwell in the past.

[Guest Gareth Rankin]

Whats stopping this happening??

Lewis it was only 4 years ago that a vote was taken at the AGM of the National this to change the rule that would allow non SHU members to participate in the National, the vote got well and truly beat thus rubber stamping the vote that was taken back in 2004.

 

Would be great for one national but don't see it happening. SNRPC had 400 birds entered by 80 to 90 members at Reims, this would have been great to get at the Gold cup race. But i'm looking bigger than this, I want to know how we can get the majority of the 3500 members in Scotland taking part in the most prestigious race of the calender.

[Henrik]

The rule needs changed for the good of the Scottish fancy,time to put personal feelings aside and look to the future for the sake of the sport not dwell in the past.

It still wouldnt help the few that it was formed for as you would have to be free from suspension from all unions. The rule works for most so no need to change it. If your any union rule is so good and your SNRPC so great why is it not the Premier Club in Scotland?

[VMS]

It still wouldnt help the few that it was formed for as you would have to be free from suspension from all unions. The rule works for most so no need to change it. If your any union rule is so good and your SNRPC so great why is it not the Premier Club in Scotland?

 

I am only a member of the SHU and not a member of any national,difference being i can see the solution to the problem for the benefit of Scotland's distance minded fanciers.As to the premier club in the country many have different interpretations to that question,i have no political alliances to any union just want to see everyone together for the good of the sport.

[Rebus]

Id go along with Minight Son's proposed race programme where the races are spread out,at the moment we have 3 channel races in 8 days no club could get decent entries with such a programme.

[geordie1234]

When is the snfc agm

[Novice]

Lewis it was only 4 years ago that a vote was taken at the AGM of the National this to change the rule that would allow non SHU members to participate in the National, the vote got well and truly beat thus rubber stamping the vote that was taken back in 2004.

 

Would be great for one national but don't see it happening. SNRPC had 400 birds entered by 80 to 90 members at Reims, this would have been great to get at the Gold cup race. But i'm looking bigger than this, I want to know how we can get the majority of the 3500 members in Scotland taking part in the most prestigious race of the calender.

 

 

Several SHU affiliated federations support the Ypres race.

This race is less than 500 miles to most members and has been a one day race on both occasions I have competed.

Is there a mechanism to encourage these federations to support the Gold Cup race rather than Ypres or is there a rule in place disallowing this.

Such a course of action would boost the Gold cup race entries at the expense of Ypres.

Note--there are only so many potential channel pigeons in Scotland so it looks like a roundabouts and swings situation to me.

[sammy]

Would be great for one national but don't see it happening. SNRPC had 400 birds entered by 80 to 90 members at Reims, this would have been great to get at the Gold cup race. But i'm looking bigger than this, I want to know how we can get the majority of the 3500 members in Scotland taking part in the most prestigious race of the calender.

 

lower the subscriptions to a tenner ,after all what are they going to do with all the money in the bank ,they survived for years when it was only a fiver ,also lower the birdage ,if my memory is right the birdage was increased at the gold cup for the new millenium to give higher prize money to winner ,how long ago was that???? as in everything it all goes up ,but the wages dont ,worth a thought

[lanarkshire lad]

Several SHU affiliated federations support the Ypres race.

This race is less than 500 miles to most members and has been a one day race on both occasions I have competed.

Is there a mechanism to encourage these federations to support the Gold Cup race rather than Ypres or is there a rule in place disallowing this.

Such a course of action would boost the Gold cup race entries at the expense of Ypres.

Note--there are only so many potential channel pigeons in Scotland so it looks like a roundabouts and swings situation to me.

For me that just about says it all Too many races with not enough pigeons.

[clockman]

When is the snfc agm

its on a sat in January probably 28th

[robbiedoo.]

Would be great for one national but don't see it happening. SNRPC had 400 birds entered by 80 to 90 members at Reims, this would have been great to get at the Gold cup race. But i'm looking bigger than this, I want to know how we can get the majority of the 3500 members in Scotland taking part in the most prestigious race of the calender.

 

lower the subscriptions to a tenner ,after all what are they going to do with all the money in the bank ,they survived for years when it was only a fiver ,also lower the birdage ,if my memory is right the birdage was increased at the gold cup for the new millenium to give higher prize money to winner ,how long ago was that???? as in everything it all goes up ,but the wages dont ,worth a thought

 

i would agree with sammy here LOWER THE SUBSCRIPIONS . 26 quid is a lot of money if you havent got it along with the price of the birdage some fanceirs maybe just cant afford it :emoticon-0138-thinking:

[sj irving jnr]

the only way the snfc will get more entries is go back to the start where it began,rennes and nantes (and i know we cant get into those race points and the birds are not there like in the 70s and 80s because simply the sport is in decline and thats fact) but just get back to the 2 main ones,the more races the more birds are taken away from these 2 great races,if people want inland nationals let feds join up and go for it,and leave the snfc to get on with what it was started for, channel racing.

 

all the best

 

scott irving jnr

[JohnQuinn]

If more fanciers Believed they could WIN the Gold Cup itself, we would get more entries.

As it is most fanciers i know want to top their Fed from the channel race, and believe they can, so they send a bigger team to this race every year trying to attain the attainable.

 

Also we have to accept that in an ever changing and demanding world people don't have the Time to wait for national birds coming, and if they canny SEE their birds returning why send, so increasing membership is well nigh Impossible.

Its the members now who need to send more entries and getting them to do it isnae easy when most of them know they canny Win the race because of their location. jmo.

[dal2]

If more fanciers Believed they could WIN the Gold Cup itself, we would get more entries.

As it is most fanciers i know want to top their Fed from the channel race, and believe they can, so they send a bigger team to this race every year trying to attain the attainable.

 

Also we have to accept that in an ever changing and demanding world people don't have the Time to wait for national birds coming, and if they canny SEE their birds returning why send, so increasing membership is well nigh Impossible.

Its the members now who need to send more entries and getting them to do it isnae easy when most of them know they canny Win the race because of their location. jmo.

Surely a section winner is more prestigious than a fed topper? I know it is for me!

[JohnQuinn]

Yes me too Steven much more, but we're the Minority these days

[alec guinness]

Surely a section winner is more prestigious than a fed topper? I know it is for me!

 

spot on m8,have been lucky enough to have topped the fed from most distances,but winning the ANNIE ROSS BOWES TROPHY FOR 1ST SECTION GOLD CUP SNFC HAS BEEN THE HIGHLIGHT SO FAR and better than all the fed toppers averages etc together imo.ps will toast this years winners mr and mrs davie elliot this weekend. :)

[Guest Tooshy Boy]

THIS IS WHAT WE WANT. RENNENS ..NANTES.

GIVE US BACK THESE TWO .NOW THATS WHAT YOU CALL RACING...

[geordie1234]

I honestly think if there was decent cash prices for each section and 1st open it would attract more interest. but only for this race

[yeboah]

Very good post by Jamie,I would go along with that proposal ,as for separate liberation's we should start this immediately with the young bird national giving all Yb's a distance race with the best chance of getting home ,way it is at present trying to get one into the south is just a lottery to many good ones lost ,only got to look at the west section from the same race some had good returns but were not at the races velocity wise,surely to build a team for the future for everyone we have to start with our youngsters ,the rest will then take care of itself,and why we changed from newbury a fantastic liberation point in the middle of the country beggars belief

[alec guinness]

I honestly think if there was decent cash prices for each section and 1st open it would attract more interest. but only for this race

 

not sure about that geo,as on this thread previously people want a quick fix ie one day races,would be great to get more fanciers competing for the GOLD CUP but this is 2011 and dont think we can turn back the clock so imo the SNFC must at all times cater for all. ;) at the moment the programme is not too far away. :)

[robbiedoo.]

I honestly think if there was decent cash prices for each section and 1st open it would attract more interest. but only for this race

 

i dont think winning money has anything to do with it if you speak to some of the older fanceirs they think money is ruining the sport . there is proberly a lot of the older fanceirs that are not interested in the inland nationals but would like to send to the gold cup but understanderly wont pay the 26 quid to join for the one race . if you include the price of joining the snfc and sending 3 doos and the price of fuel to take them through to the marking station you are speaking the guts of 50 quid .imo the way to maybe get more fanceirs to send would be as long as your a member of the shu you can participate with no fee needed to be payed .do this for the gold cup only and put the subcriptions fees at a tenner a head for for membership for all the other races . :emoticon-0138-thinking: