When is a youngbird not a Youngbird?

[joe61]

im off to see my mate soon he wants my opinion on his 40 double rung babies

 

oh happy days

[Taylorsloft]

2010   :P ;D ;D

[joe61]

when is a youngbird not a youngbird when its an oldbird how do you tell by looking at its ring

 

oh happy days

[pigeonscout]

How would a bird with two rings be identified on the race sheet? If it is classed as an old bird then it should not be raced with young birds. To win a race as an old bird and then to go on to win as a young bird is back to front.

[Guest]

Because current year issued rings are meant to be but on CURRENT year bred youngsters. Why do people in PIGEONS ALWAYS look to find a way of being deceitful??

This isn't allowed with BS rung Budgerigars, or indeed with ALL the various Canary Breeding Societies. CURRENT YEAR means CURRENT YEAR and anyone trying to pull the wool would be eliminated from participating.

It only happens in PIGEONS................. AND SAYS MUCH FOR THE AUTHENTICITY OF WHAT IS AFTER ALL MEANT TO BE A HOBBY/SPORT

 

It's bad enough people making false claims on bent pedigrees, Trying to gain an even bigger advantage with ETS with pad placements, 3 legged pigeons where the rubber is placed on the leg from a dead bird, and now this fiasco. Is it any wonder why pigeon racing is on the decline. The sport is becoming more corrupt through GREED.

[Dave barrie]

NEVER HEARD O BIRDS HAVING TWA RINGS ON ,THIS CANNA BE RIGHT,GOT TO BE SUMFIN WRANG WITH CLUBS ,FEDS ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN. AS FOR CUTTIN RINGS OFF :oITS A WRANG :'( :'(

[hotrod]

when is a youngbird not a youngbird when its an oldbird how do you tell by looking at its ring

 

oh happy days

I agree with you (by looking at its ring )NOT TWO RINGS you dodgy guy, if i was amember of your club i would'nt trust you as far as i could throw you , you and your pal with the 40 d/rung youngsters

 

 

[Guest strapper]

if someone is prepared to risk the wrath of others over this ,how far will he be prepared to go ?

when someone in your club is doing this it puts doubt into your mind and i wouldnt want to be part of letting someone put birds through with two different years on rings.

[PIGEON_MAN]

guys clubs can not refuse to accept the bird as long as its a ring thats nomed so to refuse you sending the bird would be breaking the rules

 

oh happy days

 

I,m sorry but as secretary of our club I would not allow a youngbird to go in a oldbird race unless it was a any age race or the owner sent it as a trainer,and if the ring was taped up it would soon be untaped to see what year the ring was,and I would not hesitate to go before the Union if the member did not agree with my decision because i,m sure they would throw it out.

[PIGEON_MAN]

NEVER HEARD O BIRDS HAVING TWA RINGS ON ,THIS CANNA BE RIGHT,GOT TO BE SUMFIN WRANG WITH CLUBS ,FEDS ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN. AS FOR CUTTIN RINGS OFF :oITS A WRANG :'( :'(

 

If you want to send in the young bird National races most have their own rings so some members will ring a youngbird with say a NFC ring and another ring from another national club.

[Guest strapper]

 

I,m sorry but as secretary of our club I would not allow a youngbird to go in a oldbird race unless it was a any age race or the owner sent it as a trainer,and if the ring was taped up it would soon be untaped to see what year the ring was,and I would not hesitate to go before the Union if the member did not agree with my decision because i,m sure they would throw it out.

 

im sec of my club and named as person responsible for basketing ...and id say exactly the same as you m8.

[Guest asha]

Well that`s where your wrong straper,rules state you race the ring,NOT THE PIGEON,noones allowed to interfear with your birds while eing basketed,

[Guest]

 

If you want to send in the young bird National races most have their own rings so some members will ring a youngbird with say a NFC ring and another ring from another national club.

 

That is NOT an issue mate, as both rings will have the same year printed on them. This is an issue about youngsters with current year and an old ring on.

 

[Chairman]

Well its certainly got you all thinking this one out, I could enlighten you all that one of the all time greats of the fancy used this practice year after year despite the members and indeed region officials screaming foulplay at him, he stayed within his rights and asked them to quote a ruling thats says he could not carry on this paractice. In a nutshell there is not one, so therefore nobody can stop this practice or

refuse his entries.JOE 61 is right, search your rule book and all it refers to is the ring, that is entered into the race not the bird. Many birds today are double-rung so which ring is to be entered? the other ring is ignored but if the owner wishes he can place either tape over the other ring or use a clip ring the fits over the top of the union ring, whether the rings that the pigeon is bearing is of the same year, again there is no rule to the effect that in a case of a bird being double rung it has to have both rings of the same year of issue, or of the same union?. I am afraid whether we agree with this paractice or not, the way the rules are at the moment we have nothing in our powers to stop this from happening, but any fancier worth his salt would not go down this road for personal gain, he would be too unpopular and he would end up being isolated by his own club members. Who's this alltime great I mentioned, well I shall be a gentleman and not reveal too much as regards his identity, all I will say is he made a fortune at Blackpool, but there again "a fool and his money is easily parted" when will you all learn, please do your homework before you spend your hard earned cash before bringing in new birds. There is a saying within pigeon men in Belgium and that is " Top pigeons,Top prices,Top Quality is Cheap" think of all the monies we have all spent before we got something decent in our lofts, food for thought guys???

[Guest]

Well that`s where your wrong straper,rules state you race the ring,NOT THE PIGEON,noones allowed to interfear with your birds while eing basketed,

 

SORRY WRONG........... i have yet to see a ring home from a race without being attached to a bird. And it is the duty of the marking committee to ensure ring/s are read correctly and the bird is in good health, and have every right to eliminate a bird that is suspect.

[BANDIT]

you can race the pigeon in old then young bird races, as they say its the ring you write down on your club sheet, so write down the old ring in the old bird races and the  younbird ring for youngbird races.a member of our club had his own ring on and a belgium ring on the other foot same year. he just put his own ring number on the club sheet and told the guy putting his bird through to read out his own number. once a bird has an 09 ring on it can be raced in young bird races even after been raced as an old bird earlier in the season simply by putting the old bird ring on his club sheet. grey area but if i was stopped racing the bird i recon i would win a case if it went that far.    bandit

[Chairman]

I would like us all to debate this thread sensibly, and to research and debate this issue, I dont wish for you to get personal with one another but there will be many points of view expressed.It all boils down to what or how you interpret what the rulings says and the hardest one as my friend Paul (Strapper) or any Secretary acts should this practice happen in his / our own clubs. If you were to refuse a member carrying this out, it could happen that the secretary / club is taken to court and have proceedings issued against him / them, has your club got insurance cover to protect your officials in the event of this happening? Most clubs would not have, I think would be the answer. I see references made to "well you could tell at a glance that bird was a youngster" well I think you would not be able to use that as a point, because its the ring that needs to be verified at race marking and not the markers opinion as to the birds age. I am going to sitback now and play "Devils Advocate" and see how you all debate this thread, please remember Guys be courtious to each other its only a debate but it could happen at any club in the land, and maybe one day it could happen at your club.

All is fair, in love and war.

[Guest]

Well its certainly got you all thinking this one out, I could enlighten you all that one of the all time greats of the fancy used this practice year after year despite the members and indeed region officials screaming foulplay at him, he stayed within his rights and asked them to quote a ruling thats says he could not carry on this paractice. In a nutshell there is not one, so therefore nobody can stop this practice or

refuse his entries.JOE 61 is right, search your rule book and all it refers to is the ring, that is entered into the race not the bird. Many birds today are double-rung so which ring is to be entered? the other ring is ignored but if the owner wishes he can place either tape over the other ring or use a clip ring the fits over the top of the union ring, whether the rings that the pigeon is bearing is of the same year, again there is no rule to the effect that in a case of a bird being double rung it has to have both rings of the same year of issue, or of the same union?. I am afraid whether we agree with this paractice or not, the way the rules are at the moment we have nothing in our powers to stop this from happening, but any fancier worth his salt would not go down this road for personal gain, he would be too unpopular and he would end up being isolated by his own club members. Who's this alltime great I mentioned, well I shall be a gentleman and not reveal too much as regards his identity, all I will say is he made a fortune at Blackpool, but there again "a fool and his money is easily parted" when will you all learn, please do your homework before you spend your hard earned cash before bringing in new birds. There is a saying within pigeon men in Belgium and that is " Top pigeons,Top prices,Top Quality is Cheap" think of all the monies we have all spent before we got something decent in our lofts, food for thought guys???

 

Rule

120. Each Club shall keep a record for a

minimum of two years showing the full ring

number, colour, sex and owner’s name of

every pigeon sent in races organised by the

Club, whether competing or not.

178. In no circumstances may the details of

the full ring number, colour, sex and owners’

name of every pigeon sent in a race arranged

by an Organisation be destroyed less than two

years after the date of the race.

 

So it is NOT the ring that is being raced, as rings do not contain colour or sex of the bird, NOT even on the respective governing bodies records of ownership.

 

[hotrod]

the RULE states RING NUMBER not rings &numbers (single not plural) cant you read

[pigeonscout]

If a bird has both a 2008 and 2009 ring then it is a 2009 bird, covering up the 2009 ring does not make that bird a 2008 bird. Putting a 2001 number plate on 2008 car does not make that car a 2001 car.  

[red schalie]

If its the ring only that races surely you would have to pay for both one as a race bird and the other as a trainer. :-/

 

Most clubs and national races insist on full ring  numbers being entered on the race entry sheet. Further if a bird has got a 2009 ring on the other leg it proves the bird is a young bird so therefore disqualified from Old bird racing in 2009.

I stand by my earlier stance, anyone in my club that tries this trick will be disqualified from the old bird race. further in my position as Fed President if I find it is happening in another club I will instruct the Fed secretary to disqualify said birds. Again all subject to appeal.

 

If people feel the need to send youngsters with the old birds I am not against that but they must only be entered as trainers not competing in any way unless of course it is an any age race.

 

Regards

 

Bob Pickering

[Guest asha]

Hey lenwadbob,you going senile,you race the RING not the pigeon,even that is out of date now ,with ets,its pointless even having a yearly ring,waste of time.pointless. someone should put a propersition in for 2010,racebirds only need a ets ring to be able to compete in any race :)think about it : you know its the future 8)

[pigeonscout]

If you could put a 2009 ring unto a 2006 bird are you saying that would not be breaking the rules?

[Guest asha]

I`ve sent plenty of times in the NFC with 2 diffrent year rings on seperate legs,just with black tape on the 1 you don`t want wrote down. it looks justlike a clip ring,and no-one can do anything about it,for sure.

[Guest asha]

:Ppigeonscout stupid question