breakaway Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 ITS NOT COMMON AT ALL BUT YOU CAN IF YOU WISH WE DONT NEED 2 RINGS TO DO THIS OBVIOUS THIS PERSON IS GOING TO COVER THE 2009 RING ( LEAVING THE 2008 RING VISIBLE) UNTIL RACING THEM AS YB,S AS YOU CAN TELL IM IN CID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hjaltland Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 'WE DONT NEED 2 RINGS TO DO THIS' My point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakaway Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 BECAUSE SOME ORGANISATIONS DONT ALLOW YB,S WITH OB,S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 if you lose a bird and sometime in the future someone reports it or i should say the ring what would happen in this case- someone uses your ring on one of their birds and loses it are you not duty bound to take the bird back by its ring no even though you know by contact with the reportee that the bird is not yours but the ring is say it was a blue but is now a mealy how would you stand ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakaway Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 YOUR RESPONSABILITY, I WOULDTHINK GAVE SOME RING TO CLUB MATE A FEW YEAR BACK WHICH HE DIDNT TRANSFER, ENDED UP HAVING 2 COLLECT MYSELF . PUT IT IN THE LEEK TRENCH!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hjaltland Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 BECAUSE SOME ORGANISATIONS DONT ALLOW YB,S WITH OB,S? So it's cheating. Simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakaway Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Freebird Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Surely if a bird is double rung with contradicting year of birth then it should not be allowed to race at all until the fraudulent ring is removed i.e the oldest, as you can't put a 2009 ring on an old bird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leighton1984 Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 It is not cheating you are flying to all the rules that are set out. you are only flying the ring not the bird look at RPRA transfer forms they do not ask for the colour of the bird. on basket on friday the ring number is on the sheet and bird has the same number on its leg the bird can go to the race no need to look at the taped one. p.s no one can take the tape off the ring to check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonscout Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 It is not cheating you are flying to all the rules that are set out. you are only flying the ring not the bird look at RPRA transfer forms they do not ask for the colour of the bird. on basket on friday the ring number is on the sheet and bird has the same number on its leg the bird can go to the race no need to look at the taped one. p.s no one can take the tape off the ring to check You are still racing that young bird by deception = cheating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe61 Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 some of you guys take the biscuit you come on a thred half way through and start talking crap start at the top read it and then make a coment this word cheating keeps coming up its not cheating theres no rule to say you cant do it oh happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chairman Posted February 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Yes,, okay then the answer to why some fanciers do it, Its all down to MONEY I shall do a simple equation for all of us to understand, MORE WINS = MORE SALES = MORE MONEY. And the answer to "Are these youngbirds any good when it comes time to compete with other young birds" well they are unbeatable insomuch as these young birds are now 6 - 7 months old, have been raced up to the coast 200+ miles and are fully motivated to be raced on either a nest posistion, celibacy or widowhood, whilst the rest of the competing youngsters are just learning the ropes and more than likely coming back to the perch. Its not fair, It should'nt be tolerated and the rules can only be changed by you, the member, there is an alternative though, lets all go on the OSTRICH SYNDROME bury our heads in the sand, it may not happen in our clubs? but then again when or if it does it too late to do anything about it. FOOD FOR THOUGHT GUYS??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsberg Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 if you have the 09 ring taped up then you cant dispute it as if you have the 09 ring taped up you can't dispute the pairing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe61 Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 carlsberg you been on the p*** mate or are you off a space ship oh happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris h Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 when its an old bird ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigeonscout Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 pigeonscout you are making this hard to explain you can only put 2 rings on when its in the nest 1 ring the year its born lets say 2009 then you put an old ring on the other leg any old ring will do like 2005 2006 2007 or 2008 ok dont go chopping their legs off oh happy days I know you cannot put a new ring on an old bird and that is why I ask (what if you could) would that also be ok with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naedoos Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 some of you guys take the biscuit you come on a thred half way through and start talking crap start at the top read it and then make a coment this word cheating keeps coming up its not cheating theres no rule to say you cant do it oh happy days There's also no rules you say you give a seat on a bus or train to an old passenger either, it's just called common courtesy, there's also no rule to say if you find an ulocked car you are allowed to drive it away, that's called stealing. Come on guys, stop kidding yourselves on and use a bit of common sense, send your young birds as far and as often as you want but as trainers, I'm sure no one will have any objections. Don't be foolish enough to think no one has the right to touch the ring that is taped up, in your rules, rule 96 states "Should a bird carry more than one ring, both rings must be registered to one loft number and must be from the country of origin" If I were your basket convener I would be entitled to check the ring taped up and not let it in the basket if it was a young bird. Even if you insisted that it be allowed, it would be simple to get the remaining club members birds race marked while the bogus ring number was verified, and who knows it would maybe even be too late to get them verified before the transporter had to leave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just ask me Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 There's also no rules you say you give a seat on a bus or train to an old passenger either, it's just called common courtesy, there's also no rule to say if you find an ulocked car you are allowed to drive it away, that's called stealing. Come on guys, stop kidding yourselves on and use a bit of common sense, send your young birds as far and as often as you want but as trainers, I'm sure no one will have any objections. Don't be foolish enough to think no one has the right to touch the ring that is taped up, in your rules, rule 96 states "Should a bird carry more than one ring, both rings must be registered to one loft number and must be from the country of origin" If I were your basket convener I would be entitled to check the ring taped up and not let it in the basket if it was a young bird. Even if you insisted that it be allowed, it would be simple to get the remaining club members birds race marked while the bogus ring number was verified, and who knows it would maybe even be too late to get them verified before the transporter had to leave i dont understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 It is not cheating you are flying to all the rules that are set out. you are only flying the ring not the bird look at RPRA transfer forms they do not ask for the colour of the bird. on basket on friday the ring number is on the sheet and bird has the same number on its leg the bird can go to the race no need to look at the taped one. p.s no one can take the tape off the ring to check i beg to differ ,the basket commitee can check the ring(s) on all birds when basketing said bird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naedoos Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 i dont understand what don't you understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naedoos Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 i beg to differ ,the basket commitee can check the ring(s) on all birds when basketing said bird spot on hotrod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe61 Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 naedoos if you have a bird double rung with both rings showing their numbers of diffrent years you can refuse to put the bird through if one is taped up you are not allowed to tamper alter or interfear with that taped up ring what is under the tape is none of anyones buisness oh happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe61 Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 hotrod you dont know what your talking abuot so sit down oh happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naedoos Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 naedoos if you have a bird double rung with both rings showing their numbers of diffrent years you can refuse to put the bird through if one is taped up you are not allowed to tamper alter or interfear with that taped up ring what is under the tape is none of anyones buisness oh happy days read your rules joe, It would have to be checked to ensure it was registered to the same loft number oh very happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naedoos Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 naedoos if you have a bird double rung with both rings showing their numbers of diffrent years you can refuse to put the bird through if one is taped up you are not allowed to tamper alter or interfear with that taped up ring what is under the tape is none of anyones buisness oh happy days just to confirm, which rpra rule are you quoting here joe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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