i studied eye sign for years its a nonsence its nice to look at but apart from health you can tell nothing about raceing or breding abilty from it its just a fact that some families of birds have nice eyes and some do not its a family trait the only way to find out if a bird is a good racer is the basket and the only way to find a good breeding pair is breed lots of yb off them and race them eye sign men who win out of turn are few and far beetween and they win because they have good pigeons not because there pigeons have a good eye nothing more nothing less