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hope so mick

john quinn did say there were more to come m8

who for frank

mick read my reply to frank 123 m8 it ans your question till a get a wee cuppa pal

thanks m8 nice to know you enjoyd it makes it worth doing when i hear that lets hope it helps and not just forgoten about we have to change the way we vaccinate we are causing this problem our selves

thankyou chad hope it does some good and gets rid of ybs and adenovirus if we all go back to jagging the way we used to all at the same time or no one jags durring racing we might beat it and not losing as many birds

i didnt frank and after all my good work i jagged six lb a week be fore the first yb race thought they would ok in section there self and kept them in for 14 days i must have carried it on feet and clothes my yb team had it for the first three yb races and flew like coos it went through every section of my loft then passed i won the 4 th race and davy beat me into 2nd in the last one ill no do that again so have to be super careful any yb that are not catching the racing dont jag till racings finnished

thats another story frank but not so long thank f k lol

for me to del hope this helps m8 could explain why were losing so many

right lads lets just recap on what ive found till now one vaccinated birds give unvaccinated birds ybs or adenovirus what ever you like to call it if they come into contact with each other or there dropings now the problem is not the pmv jag its what comes out our pigeons bodies after theve been jagged for at least 14 days its toxic stuff keep them in or you take the chance of you old birds picking it up two those of us who jagged birds coming out the nest only the birds jagged the day you open the bottle are garnteed to be protected so we are sticking a needle in the birds for nothing as it states on the leaflet use when opened and lab at medetech has just confirimed to me itshould be used with in hours not days fact so lots of birds out there could be lost because they were not protected from pmv ok next how i found out when you vaccinate you yb it affects your old birds after i found i was still getting some ybs with birds that had been in and strait from the nest i waited till i had my yb team then jagged them all my self and billy 99 on here are great pals and we dicuss pigeon problems every other night he was out the game for a few years and when he started up again he could not believe the losses that guys were having because like me he think no matter how bad the race is the birds should get home bar the one or two that get hawked or wired because there homing pigeons at the end of the day i told there was a lot of sickness about ybs was rife but this old birds that were not getting home billy said well they must be sick to but with what ithought i told him about good birds birds missing from tosses short races that looked ok i knew something was wrong but did not think mines could besick as he had me treating for everthing and my birds were all jagged i train up some late breds for early racing and they do very well the first 3 or 4 races i have did this with good sucess for the last 3 years winning afew early races on the way billy said to me you allways do well in the early races allways in the shake up then you drop off the pace for 2 or 3 weeks then come back i had allways put this down to bad races and my lb droping off threw early training then my yrl coming into a bit of form as i pair them 3 weeks apart i right everything down i do about the loft so started to look at my books to see if i could put my finger on enything as it had happend 3 years on trot first 3 or 4 races 2 or 3 birds in the first 6 then 8 th ioth 12th and lost birds training and racing birds coming home as if they had flown the national wings down and one or two nearly missed the landing board they looked knackerd from 150 miles then i noticed in my book i had jagged my yb at the same time week between the 3rd and 4th old bird races and had done the same thing the day before this time i watched the old birds within two or three days of jaging my yb the shine went off the old birds the first thing i noticed was no noise they went very quite there was no husle busle no fighting no claping up into boxes and they did not want fly two times round the loft and down and just sat about they handled ok but i knew they were just not right i picked a few out to go to the race you could not see anything was wrong feathers not as tight maybe thats all i could see really when i got to the the club again it struck me how there was 500 pigeons in baskets and hardly a sound as i looked in some of the club baskets there were birds all hunched up what ever it was the club had it to it was a bad race for lots of us plenty missing i was iith and a 3rd missing it had to be somthing to do with jagging the yb but my old birds were jagged in feb on the monday i phoned the place i got my vaccine from and asked to speak to someone from the lab the girl said doctor so and so was in the office at that moment i could speak to him the guy came on the phone i told him that every time i jag my yb my old birds are not right are the yb isolated he said well there in a section of the loft for yb and they are out on there own out where he said flying about the loft says i thats your problem he told me you have to keep them in or the dropings will infect other birds what with i ask lets call it mild parra mixo i told him all my other had been jagged allready so that mean it does not work no he said when you jag them it helps them to fight the pm virus but it does not stop it from attacking them every time the virus is around so every time i jag my yb it will attack my old birds yes if they are not isolated for 14 days and maybe even if they are it spreads very quickly and easily but your old birds will come through it ok but no work just rest them 2 or three weeks and they will be ok is there a way round this i said yes jag every bird in the loft at the same time so the virus is not present durring racing and make sure your birds dont come into contact with newly vaccinated birds or birds that have been in contact with them so last season i bred my yb team early and jagged every bird in the loft and nests on the 17th of march winning 8 firsts 20 fed prizes 16 trophys and best comave west section lanarkshire fed against 22 thousand pigeons so the proofs in the pudding

thats whit his doos say to lol but good yuo got the all clear m8

del thats what i used to think m8 when i saw your post ive just phoned the people that make the vaccine and made out my vet told me its ok to use and put back in the fridge he said the vet was talking rubbish when opened it must be used in hours and the rest disgarded that was from the lab at meditech i have the phone no here for anyone that needs proof so what chance do we have if the vets dont know m8

yes m8

yes higg but just make sure your old birds are finnished racing or there abouts or you will knock the old birds back ive a wee job to do and will explain this after i get fed waterd m8

yes but it works m8 thats the point jagging at different times is keeping the virus running through the loft training vans and race baskets and we need to stop it so we all have that 2 or 3 weeks where no ones birds are passing the virus so if we all jagg our birds say 3 weeks at least before racing or after with old birds we can stop this

dont know if thats right chad the bottles open who says whats left after a week is still a potent vaccine the labs are saying use when opened not and the rest will still be ok next week and thats part of the problem we just assume its ok m8

and thats why you dont have any problems stb thats the way to solve it m8

thanks chad now were getting to the nitty gritty m8 i think its the labs selling the stuff for not making it very clear that the vaccine is no good after it has been opened for 24or 48 hours or what ever but there get out of jail card is on the leaflet the contents must be used when opened so its our own stupidity trying to save a few bob and make it easyer on our selves were all to blame m8

thanks fid i was just lucky getting mine replaced and have to admit at the end of the day it was not studs fault i was not jagged and at that time no one knew vaccinated birds gave unvaccinated birds a problem m8

now i know what i know thats the way we should all be doing it m8 when the vaccine 1st came out thats the way it was done everyone in your club was jagged at more or less the same time every year

very good of you m8

yes chad that would do or wait till you have your yb team then jag m8 which i will come to later on when i have a bit more time what do you think of what i have said till now

do you see the problem harry i dont know of any pmv vaccine that tells you youcan use then reseal and use days or weeks later and even months in my case i dont know who came up with this idea but i think it stemed from the nobivac bottle that had a we screw on cap so guys just took it you could reseal it but i now know that was to protect the user from spillage the full bottle is to be used as soon as its opened maybe there is one but i dont know of any maybe someone who jags this way can tell us m8 as i see a very wide spread problem hear with birds not being protected

yes i thought the same buster but its not true its the leaflet you get with the vaccine that counts as thats from the lab and they say use when opened so this blows away the jagging birds coming out the nest idea unless your full yb team come out the same day so everyone who jags this way needs to read the lab leaflet and have a rethink i had to as thats how i did it to m8 and thankyou im glad it opened your eyes its opened mine i will get to the 3 rd and final part later i hope take care

yes a real good guy john worked together and were pals for years atop class doo man i learned a lot from john