Got to agree with you abt being weaker Gareth, todays pigeons are far more mature and should be raced further as youngsters to test their weaknesses. You will find that your 220 mile statement kicks in from the coast as yearlings a little bit, but not as bad as the 220 mile stage, from birds that have hardly been raced as youngsters. I see it here as well from the fanciers that hardly race youngsters and wonder how they're all lost after 6 weeks as yearlings. Also the 98% rule inevitably will kick in too. Also I canny recall many East Winds at 50mph!!!No even S/E with clear blue skies where you will get losses over shooting the loft.