Lads, that is just super information - thank you all ! The bird I have is indeed a son of GG Granson of "Freckles" - as evidenced by his pedigree. I am amazed at the reverence that he is obviously held in as a fancier and thank you all for your input. Some other details from the pedigree...... In his Pedigree are the following Cormack birds ; GG Grand Parents - Lyrona Freckles & Lyrona Barny, and the Dam was Lyrona Dainty Three There are the followuing Telfer birds there too ; A GG Grand sire was Cara SRN, Grand Parents Cara Ode and Cara Gold Medal, the Sire being Cara Quatrain. He is an '07 bird. Many thanks again,I may well go looking for those telephone numbers. Steve