Just seeing this thread for the first time, i know wee Charlie well as he collects the club strays from me during the Yb season and the other loft looks very like John Paton's??? only met John this season when verifying his 1st Section Ypres hen, which i assume has lost its life with the others and he was a pleasure to meet and talk to. Totally disgusted that this type of thing happens, i really don't know how i would react but prison time would be high on my agenda if i discovered who done it. George, i have perches, hen boxes and stock birds that both John and Charlie are welcome to, i will deliver them personally and help in any way i can to get them up and running again, if they still have the will to carry on that is.