Bird Flu

[clockman]

I suggest you read it yourself

 

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SHU only applies in Scotland

England last I heard still had a ban in place

 

read yir pms expletive remove

[REDCHEQHEN]

have the rpra instructed their members to confine their birds in England

Yes and no - they can be let out - providing they don't mix with wild birds - you haven't been following the thread have you?

[Ian McKay]

have the rpra instructed their members to confine their birds in England

 

 

 

Your the man asking all the questions and you can't answer this one What about China and everywhere else :emoticon-0179-headbang:

 

We are GOVERNED by the SHU as you have told me before or have you changed unions :drinking-coffee-200:

[cemetary]

Bollocks read the letter You always quote the SHU rules

 

 

Ian, where and what POST does DJWa state SHU RULES, maybe I have missed something reading the posts you state governing body in post 121, surely they have RULES then.

[Ian McKay]

Ian, where and what POST does DJWa state SHU RULES, maybe I have missed something reading the posts you state governing body in post 121, surely they have RULES then.

 

 

Davy will know what I mean the answer was to him not you Doug

[DJWa]

Yes and no - they can be let out - providing they don't mix with wild birds - you haven't been following the thread have you?

 

I was ,but missed the bit about rpra birds being allowed out for exercise,

I see this was passed today ,and I missed it due to being at work

 

thought that was only shu

 

are rpra allowing races to take place as that would be race birds mixing , getting lost returning late ,

mixing with wild birds etc etc

 

and deff against loft flying for exercise

[cemetary]

Davy will know what I mean the answer was to him not you Doug

 

Ian, open forum springs to mind here, am asking you where the SHU quote from DJWa is, I may have skipped a page but I don't think so.

[DJWa]

Davy will know what I mean the answer was to him not you Doug

 

aye ian you being sarcastic as usual

[dal2]

have the rpra instructed their members to confine their birds in England

I was meaning that defra would make any decisions like that Davy but who knows mate....no bother me am gan tae keep them in until the 6th

[DJWa]

I was meaning that defra would make any decisions like that Davy but who knows mate....no bother me am gan tae keep them in until the 6th

 

I missed the bit where the rpra as from today allowed loft flying

 

but didn't think a race would be permitted as it would contravene all their bio security measures

 

but who knows

[Novice]

How much confirmation do you want The letter is from our governing body what more do you want

 

 

expletive remove toys out the pram time.

 

yes the governing body say its ok to race but I haven't seen any new information from the race organisers given that valuable training opportunities have been lost while the birds have been confined.

 

I hope that is clear enough for you.

[Ian McKay]

I missed the bit where the rpra as from today allowed loft flying

 

but didn't think a race would be permitted as it would contravene all their bio security measures

 

but who knows

 

 

Sarcastic No davy please read the letter from the SHU it clearly tells you racing is NOT restricted but maybe you cannot read OFFICIAL letters :emoticon-0179-headbang:

[cemetary]

Sarcastic No davy please read the letter from the SHU it clearly tells you racing is NOT restricted but maybe you cannot read OFFICIAL letters :emoticon-0179-headbang:

 

 

Am still reading and watching post, but you STILL haven't answered my question Ian, maybe it has been removed from the forum.

[DJWa]

Sarcastic No davy please read the letter from the SHU it clearly tells you racing is NOT restricted but maybe you cannot read OFFICIAL letters :emoticon-0179-headbang:

 

ive read the letter from shu and the rpra stance which was sent to me

 

if you had read my posts ,you would see ive not said the shu have stopped racing

but read the rpra bio security measures and where a race in their durisdiction

would contravene them

 

rpra stated loft flying/exercise

 

eg- if its legal in our country that doesn't mean

we can go into another country where its not legal and do it

without repercussions

[Ian McKay]

ive read the letter from shu and the rpra stance which was sent to me

 

if you had read my posts ,you would see ive not said the shu have stopped racing

but read the rpra bio security measures and where a race in their durisdiction

would contravene them

 

rpra stated loft flying/exercise

 

eg- if its legal in our country that doesn't mean

we can go into another country where its not legal and do it

without repercussions

 

 

DEFRA is UK not England or Scotland it's Defra UK

 

We ain't a seperate country YET

[DJWa]

DEFRA is UK not England or Scotland it's Defra UK

 

We ain't a seperate country YET

 

we have always been a separate country expletive remove

but we are part of the uk

 

and Scotland , and England have some diff laws (fact)

and diff rulings on bird flu

I cant believe you cant see that

[Ian McKay]

we have always been a separate country expletive remove

but we are part of the uk

 

and Scotland , and England have some diff laws (fact)

and diff rulings on bird flu

I cant believe you cant see that

 

 

No body arguing about laws it DEFRA and it's the same for us all unless they they make area restrictions when and where necissary

[Froog]

we have always been a separate country expletive remove

but we are part of the uk

 

and Scotland , and England have some diff laws (fact)

and diff rulings on bird flu

I cant believe you cant see that

davie, the SHU and RPRA, don't have different views on bird flu, its just that the SHU was quicker to lift the ban, RPRA was slow in getting info

[blackswan]

so has this ban been lifted,?

[Froog]

so has this ban been lifted,?

Yeh it has George

[Kyleakin Lofts]

This is the latest DEFRA guidance.

 

DEFRAAdvice1.pdf

[Guest IB]

There is a lot of misunderstanding coming through on this thread. Animal Health is a Devolved issue, so Scotland, Wales and England have different organisations which co-ordinate a unified response to perceived threats to Animal Health in the countries for which they are responsible. Ireland is a different set-up again, but it's a unified response throughout that island too. The Unions don't have any power to impose or lift restrictions - they only act after receiving word from the relevant Animal Health Organisation. What happened in the time difference between RPRA and SHU advice of the restriction easement was simply a case of communications with their respective members. I've been a delegate and I know that getting word from the Union out to all fanciers is just not working - and that's all the way down the chain, and in normal business - see the thread on SHU AGM for an example. I attended my Fed AGM on Sunday and some of my own club members didn't know about the restriction, it seemed to be only those with access to this forum that knew about it. And there was nothing asked or said about it at that meeting.

 

And on Avian Flu itself - this needs to be cleared up too. There are 2 types. Pigeons are immune to the Low Pathogenic types. But they can become infected by the High Pathogenic types, and so can we. But poultry can be infected by both types and that is what all the fuss is about, protecting a multi-billion pound industry, an industry that produces food for human consumption. So at the end of the day its about playing our part in protecting our own Health.

[blackswan]

well said ib!

[Ian McKay]

There is a lot of misunderstanding coming through on this thread. Animal Health is a Devolved issue, so Scotland, Wales and England have different organisations which co-ordinate a unified response to perceived threats to Animal Health in the countries for which they are responsible. Ireland is a different set-up again, but it's a unified response throughout that island too. The Unions don't have any power to impose or lift restrictions - they only act after receiving word from the relevant Animal Health Organisation. What happened in the time difference between RPRA and SHU advice of the restriction easement was simply a case of communications with their respective members. I've been a delegate and I know that getting word from the Union out to all fanciers is just not working - and that's all the way down the chain, and in normal business - see the thread on SHU AGM for an example. I attended my Fed AGM on Sunday and some of my own club members didn't know about the restriction, it seemed to be only those with access to this forum that knew about it. And there was nothing asked or said about it at that meeting.

 

And on Avian Flu itself - this needs to be cleared up too. There are 2 types. Pigeons are immune to the Low Pathogenic types. But they can become infected by the High Pathogenic types, and so can we. But poultry can be infected by both types and that is what all the fuss is about, protecting a multi-billion pound industry, an industry that produces food for human consumption. So at the end of the day its about playing our part in protecting our own Health.

 

 

No mix up here Ian but what you are saying is they cannot police it properly?

 

And some just don't get the message and some just want to stir it up to prove they are knowledgeable :emoticon-0136-giggle:

[Williedoo]

The way i read it is that you can let your pigeons fly out

at the loft for exercise only. According to the link above

this is ok as it says pigeons are fed and watered in the

loft.

We are lucky this is not the racing season because you

have no control over where your birds go, feed or drink

during a race and there would be no chance of DEFRA

allowing that.