Y/b's Sickness Started

[tommy bhoys]

Between 30-40 Tommy. Aye nae over crowding here..

personally i think over crowding is one of the reasons thats why i use five lofts for young birds peter

[peter pandy]

personally i think over crowding is one of the reasons thats why i use five lofts for young birds peter

Him doon the street has a 10x6 YB loft breeds 24 youngsters and had YBS just about every year, nae over crowding there either. Had 30+ this year vaccinated my way and never had it an topped the Fed tae boot.

[Delboy]

I have already put in print what I have found !! What part do you not understand Derek ?????.

 

The part I don't understand is the fact you are saying you can prevent YBS and every fancier and pharmaceutical company in the country isny banging your door down for this invaluable information. I vaccinate my ybs coming out the nest or before and get YBS every year,it maybe very mild but I still get it to some degree. I spoke to a guy, whos originally fae Bonnybridge and is well up in the manufacturing of HARKERS products. He told me they may have A NEW PRODUCT coming onto the market, a pill that helps the yb fight against YBS. It builds their immune system up so much that they cannot contract the virus. I said to him, why the fk are you not excited about the prospect of being a millionaire overnight and he said that his company may not get the funding to license the new product. I said the pigeonman would fund it themselves if their was an answer to this seasonal problem. No answer was the loud reply...More ignorant b.s im afraid and you saying you can prevent it comes into the same category.omho

[Ian McKay]

The part I don't understand is the fact you are saying you can prevent YBS and every fancier and pharmaceutical company in the country isny banging your door down for this invaluable information. I vaccinate my ybs coming out the nest or before and get YBS every year,it maybe very mild but I still get it to some degree. I spoke to a guy, whos originally fae Bonnybridge and is well up in the manufacturing of HARKERS products. He told me they may have A NEW PRODUCT coming onto the market, a pill that helps the yb fight against YBS. It builds their immune system up so much that they cannot contract the virus. I said to him, why the fk are you not excited about the prospect of being a millionaire overnight and he said that his company may not get the funding to license the new product. I said the pigeonman would fund it themselves if their was an answer to this seasonal problem. No answer was the loud reply...More ignorant b.s im afraid and you saying you can prevent it comes into the same category.omho

 

 

 

If as you say Derek the product does the job it would NOT be a problem to fund it BUT if it cannot pass the test it would like some other old Harkers products be a bad investment and would be withdrawn

[Delboy]

If as you say Derek the product does the job it would NOT be a problem to fund it BUT if it cannot pass the test it would like some other old Harkers products be a bad investment and would be withdrawn

 

They also have a 4 in 1 product coming out which de louses, cankers , worms and coccis, I think. A few of us were asked to trial it and we were all disappointed.

[Uphill Lofts]

Over the years had a few problems with Y.B.S. But can honestly say most years have reared a few late breds (june /july hatched) out of stock birds, (Generally hatched by mistake)put them in a section on there own given them an open hole when ever possible and let them get on with it.Never a problem burn the skies out, picture of health and are trained as normal following season with the oldens. A couple over the years have been my most consistent 2/3 year olds.

[Delboy]

Over the years had a few problems with Y.B.S. But can honestly say most years have reared a few late breds (june /july hatched) out of stock birds, (Generally hatched by mistake)put them in a section on there own given them an open hole when ever possible and let them get on with it.Never a problem burn the skies out, picture of health and are trained as normal following season with the oldens. A couple over the years have been my most consistent 2/3 year olds.

 

The breeding of latebreds only,is becoming a fast growing trend to avoid Y.B.S. I know of several fanciers who forfeit yb racing to do this.

[We man]

Ditto, in that I've never had it ... It never ceases to amaze me that one can be insulted and called a liar because they tell the truth. FACT is MANY have never had y/b's.

Must be a lame excuse high lighting ones inferiority complex.

[/quote Sad but true.

[Uphill Lofts]

The breeding of latebreds only,is becoming a fast growing trend to avoid Y.B.S. I know of several fanciers who forfeit yb racing to do this.

 

I myself am contemplating doing the same,or breeding as late as possible and just sending to a couple of drop back races at most.

[Andrew suckle]

I may be talking nonsense however I have given my opinion that I could back up with facts, Unfortunatly it would require naming names which could in all respects end up in trouble for them. I have told those fanciers my view and they carried them out this year and for the first time in a decade they have been YBS FREE. Look to yourself and the answer is there..

As I says nonsense tell us what to do then if u know

[dal2]

I am as sure as I can be that if I bred yb at the usual time and never bothered TRAINING OR RACING THEM I wouldn't get ybs......but I would be bored.

[We man]

Over the years had a few problems with Y.B.S. But can honestly say most years have reared a few late breds (june /july hatched) out of stock birds, (Generally hatched by mistake)put them in a section on there own given them an open hole when ever possible and let them get on with it.Never a problem burn the skies out, picture of health and are trained as normal following season with the oldens. A couple over the years have been my most consistent 2/3 year olds.

Same here mate and its a joy to watch,up to 4 hrs flying without landing and stress free at the same time.

[tommy bhoys]

I am as sure as I can be that if I bred yb at the usual time and never bothered TRAINING OR RACING THEM I wouldn't get ybs......but I would be bored.

i know guys that keep pigeons and dont race that get it

[Roland]

I am as sure as I can be that if I bred yb at the usual time and never bothered TRAINING OR RACING THEM I wouldn't get ybs......but I would be bored.

 

What a good post. Maybe that is the right move start. Breed later and race into September I think would also be a great help.

[Roland]

Seems to be a problem that fanciers may have brought onto themselves. Must be a time when comparisons are made to past times and then 'What changes' may have brought this plague on. This can be many things of course. Likewise loses! Is there a connection here?

I am very much old school granted in many ways true and as many know haven't been able to participate as one would like. However, as some have posted here, some loft likewise still contact the dreaded ailment.

Can companies really not be able to dissect and find the route cause? I very much doubt this! Maybe it isn't in their interest to cure as Many, very many other aspects are bout and maybe they make more money on them.

Like I say, No profit in peace nor curing. So if every year more and more is spent ...

This I find

[dal2]

i know guys that keep pigeons and dont race that get it

Could they be bringing in from elsewhere? Do they have loft visitors? Do they gan doon the club? These fanciers might hold the answers Tommy

[Froog]

duz work

 

some say it works and others say its useless

but you get that with all remedies

this was your reply to cemetary davie, after he mentioned herbal treatment, you said...duz work....then when asked what treatment you named an antibiotic, that's whats confusing

[tommy bhoys]

Could they be bringing in from elsewhere? Do they have loft visitors? Do they gan doon the club? These fanciers might hold the answers Tommy

could be the pest the fly that spreads it dal

[DJWa]

this was your reply to cemetary davie, after he mentioned herbal treatment, you said...duz work....then when asked what treatment you named an antibiotic, that's whats confusing

 

ok see what you mean fred

[dal2]

could be the pest the fly that spreads it dal

I don't see many flies in the loft but the ybs have an aviary so possible

[gulkie]

I can in all honesty say quite categorically that I have never experienced YBS in my loft or any loft where I have had the pleasure of being in charge of the inmates.

I put it all down to vaccination at the proper time and I insist that if you vaccinate your youngsters when weaning instead of a week or two even three before training them then YOU are heading for trouble.

Every bird I have in my loft will be Vaccinated at least 8-10 weeks before pairing regardless of when it was previously vaccinated. Every fancier should have a vaccination gun which can be kept in a fridge ready for daily or weekly use..Nothing to do with stress as that is only an excuse trotted out by those looking to put the blame on anything other than themselves..

I'm the same as u Peter I've never had it and have never seen it

I vaccinate the same as you ,and give them at least 3/4 times a week

cider vinegar and garlic ,nothing else .

[JohnQuinn]

Can also state categorically that I haven't had yb sickness in my lofts Ever.

 

I vaccinate at 20-22 days old in the nest, though wither that helps or not I couldn't guess.

 

Personally I think it's because I keep them exposed to disease from birth and they're immune system can now handle it.

 

I used to get them going light every year and was disposing of Ybs that went this way but this year I disposed of 1 (ONE) Yb that went 'off' and that particular bird had been handled umpteen times at a B/B sale the day before it showed signs of illness. I reckoned that it was stress as it was only 26 days old at the time, but that's a guess because I cannot prove it.

Next year I expect to be in a position that not even 1 will have to go because there will only be 1 or 2 being introduced this winter and they will have to stand up to being in a rough environment before being paired up.

IMO it is down to mismanagement over a long period of years. Guys who get it every year still keep doing the same things year on year and wonder how they keep getting it, the first sign of Madness is doing the same thing over and over again and Expect different results. They're gonna keep getting it until they change their ways, but I fear like all other things to do with the sport, it'll be everyone else's fault that Some fanciers get it.

[clockman]

It's a result of Decades of fanciers treating across the board for illnesses they knew/know nothing about. Antibiotics given for this that and the next thing, still goes on now. We've been getting told for just as long tae stop using antibiotocs before we aw become riddled way diseases that antbiotics canny cure any more. But whit do 'They' know !! Jmo.

 

Seen the posters at the docs today.

[JohnQuinn]

Aye George that's another cause of immune deficiency that leaves the Doos open tae Every bug gawn aboot. They'll still be pumping them full of anti's despite all advice to the contrary !!

[clockman]

Aye George that's another cause of immune deficiency that leaves the Doos open tae Every bug gawn aboot. They'll still be pumping them full of anti's despite all advice to the contrary !!

 

I was there for my flu jab.