Feeding Time

[philg50]

So John are you saying 3 will get training ,the rest will go straight into the races with no tossing

[Delboy]

Don't think taste aversion would work, every pigeon in the country would need to be treated by whatever method, and Percy would still have to kill the pigeon before it realised it didnt like the taste not to mention the rest of the batch being scattered to the four winds. I personally don't see any way to stop this apart from the birds of prey having their protected status lifted by the government then we can take action to protect our birds.

 

I Think you've missed the point

[Delboy]

A spent good money taking 'trainers' here there and everywhere 2 years ago. I can count on the fingers of one hand how many others took the trouble I did to help out. That leaves me in a position where I can only manage my own team the best I can tae spare them fae attacks.

This like every other thread on this subject and there have been HUNDREDS of these threads and Ppl come on an type a lotta pissh about what they will do to help knowing fine well they widnae put an extra ten bob of petrol in their tank tae take 'trainers' up the road. A can PROVE I done it, not one man can Prove THEY done anything.

 

IMO the threads on this subject should be deleted because they are f'''kin meaningless.

 

John, ive only just been accepted into a fed this year after 8 years in the wilderness, and in that time I still tried to help folk around me by doing more than my bit for the cause. Its not about individuals, its about the whole picture, we need a strategy that EVERYONE IS INVOLVED. What is meaningless in my eyes, is sitting back and watching the sport fall apart, without putting up a *expletive removed* fight.

[Dooheed 5]

John, ive only just been accepted into a fed this year after 8 years in the wilderness, and in that time I still tried to help folk around me by doing more than my bit for the cause. Its not about individuals, its about the whole picture, we need a strategy that EVERYONE IS INVOLVED. What is meaningless in my eyes, is sitting back and watching the sport fall apart, without putting up a *expletive removed* fight.

As yiv said before Derek one or two weekends with everyone involved would make a massive impression !!

[JohnQuinn]

John, ive only just been accepted into a fed this year after 8 years in the wilderness, and in that time I still tried to help folk around me by doing more than my bit for the cause. Its not about individuals, its about the whole picture, we need a strategy that EVERYONE IS INVOLVED. What is meaningless in my eyes, is sitting back and watching the sport fall apart, without putting up a *expletive removed* fight.

 

There lies the problem Derek, Everyone Involved IS impossible. Call it anything ye like Derek and hit yer heed aff a wall there just isnae enough ppl prepared tae play their part. It's NEVER gonny happen because if it was Possible everybody woulda been on board by now. They just ain't interested and we canny force them tae play their part.

 

 

So selfish or no al just let everybody else feed them and protect my own as far as is practical to do so.

[Delboy]

There lies the problem Derek, Everyone Involved IS impossible. Call it anything ye like Derek and hit yer heed aff a wall there just isnae enough ppl prepared tae play their part. It's NEVER gonny happen because if it was Possible everybody woulda been on board by now. They just ain't interested and we canny force them tae play their part.

 

 

So selfish or no al just let everybody else feed them and protect my own as far as is practical to do so.

 

Im not asking everyone to be hands on John, just participate in racing without moaning, if you know what im saying.

[JohnQuinn]

Im not asking everyone to be hands on John, just participate in racing without moaning, if you know what im saying.

 

Aye a get ye Derek but so dae the Wan's that don't do their bit, BUT even with the understanding the VAST majority will no go a yard oot their road tae help.

Am an eternal optimist but find myself bereft ay a positive thought that would get ppl moving. No often am frustrated tae that point but Years of posts and some bloody good ideas haven't worked. Only last year Lan Fed bough all the stock of that spray ppl were saying would help and on race days nearly every club in our fed took part in the spray and race program, problem was we were the Only Fed that done it to my knowledge. Defeated would describe how I feel about this now.

[Ian McKay]

Aye a get ye Derek but so dae the Wan's that don't do their bit, BUT even with the understanding the VAST majority will no go a yard oot their road tae help.

Am an eternal optimist but find myself bereft ay a positive thought that would get ppl moving. No often am frustrated tae that point but Years of posts and some bloody good ideas haven't worked. Only last year Lan Fed bough all the stock of that spray ppl were saying would help and on race days nearly every club in our fed took part in the spray and race program, problem was we were the Only Fed that done it to my knowledge. Defeated would describe how I feel about this now.

 

 

What was the product John sure I researched it and it did not do as stated

[JohnQuinn]

What was the product John sure I researched it and it did not do as stated

 

As it transpired Ian a believe it was NOT as effective as first reported but when it was believed to do the job we acted on it. We did have the cleanest Doos in Scotland so it wasn't all bad lol

[Novice]

Don't think taste aversion would work, every pigeon in the country would need to be treated by whatever method, and Percy would still have to kill the pigeon before it realised it didnt like the taste not to mention the rest of the batch being scattered to the four winds. I personally don't see any way to stop this apart from the birds of prey having their protected status lifted by the government then we can take action to protect our birds.

 

Please take your time and read between the lines.

[Delboy]

Aye a get ye Derek but so dae the Wan's that don't do their bit, BUT even with the understanding the VAST majority will no go a yard oot their road tae help.

Am an eternal optimist but find myself bereft ay a positive thought that would get ppl moving. No often am frustrated tae that point but Years of posts and some bloody good ideas haven't worked. Only last year Lan Fed bough all the stock of that spray ppl were saying would help and on race days nearly every club in our fed took part in the spray and race program, problem was we were the Only Fed that done it to my knowledge. Defeated would describe how I feel about this now.

 

I can assure you many feds used it John,( including this area ) where do you think Lanarkshire got the idea?? Lest said about this the better, but we are on the right road.

[Novice]

As it transpired Ian a believe it was NOT as effective as first reported but when it was believed to do the job we acted on it. We did have the cleanest Doos in Scotland so it wasn't all bad lol

I believe the product in question was Travipharma Antisect. Like many others I used it and I need to say it is a good insecticide.

The difference between an effective insecticide and a PESTICIDE is that a pesticide either has to be more toxic or more concentrated . Concentration can be achieved by boiling for example.

I believe many people have been trying to eliminate a pest using insecticide.

It cannot work.

[moscow master]

Aye a get ye Derek but so dae the Wan's that don't do their bit, BUT even with the understanding the VAST majority will no go a yard oot their road tae help.

Am an eternal optimist but find myself bereft ay a positive thought that would get ppl moving. No often am frustrated tae that point but Years of posts and some bloody good ideas haven't worked. Only last year Lan Fed bough all the stock of that spray ppl were saying would help and on race days nearly every club in our fed took part in the spray and race program, problem was we were the Only Fed that done it to my knowledge. Defeated would describe how I feel about this now.

Ayrshire done it

[sammy]

start racing later and breed when its the season to breed not out of season

[Roland]

Many don't train y/b's at all. Just race them with great success. Indeed even yearlings and 2yo's. Never in the basket do well. Simple reality and factual.

[Guest johnhunter]

Many don't train y/b's at all. Just race them with great success. Indeed even yearlings and 2yo's. Never in the basket do well. Simple reality and factual.

well said roland

[PAPA B]

Many don't train y/b's at all. Just race them with great success. Indeed even yearlings and 2yo's. Never in the basket do well. Simple reality and factual.

To what success at what distance, also is it just flying around the loft that gets them fit enough, to go straight to races.

 

 

 

[Dave barrie]

i have a mate round the corner from me thats never trained a doo in ten year but was i

rst west sect one year and turns a good doo out in club, i know lads that train the hell oot o them but get hit and they have nowt tae race, as a lib lad i know that untrained birds hold the convoy back on lib and that effects velocity on race and also atract predetors while circling to get bearings,also racepoints arnt researched properly as i have been to a few with resident perry and had to wait until they got a kill from the ferals so we could libh, the doo game has to waken up and racepoints have to be checked out before sending your birds for a early lib into the uknown, one last thing, why the hell are we using wicker crates for nat racing when geraldy has three sides water and brillant air flow,think o the doos for once,

[Delboy]

i have a mate round the corner from me thats never trained a doo in ten year but was i

rst west sect one year and turns a good doo out in club, i know lads that train the hell oot o them but get hit and they have nowt tae race, as a lib lad i know that untrained birds hold the convoy back on lib and that effects velocity on race and also atract predetors while circling to get bearings,also racepoints arnt researched properly as i have been to a few with resident perry and had to wait until they got a kill from the ferals so we could libh, the doo game has to waken up and racepoints have to be checked out before sending your birds for a early lib into the uknown, one last thing, why the hell are we using wicker crates for nat racing when geraldy has three sides water and brillant air flow,think o the doos for once,

[DJL]

i have a mate round the corner from me thats never trained a doo in ten year but was i

rst west sect one year and turns a good doo out in club, i know lads that train the hell oot o them but get hit and they have nowt tae race, as a lib lad i know that untrained birds hold the convoy back on lib and that effects velocity on race and also atract predetors while circling to get bearings,also racepoints arnt researched properly as i have been to a few with resident perry and had to wait until they got a kill from the ferals so we could libh, the doo game has to waken up and racepoints have to be checked out before sending your birds for a early lib into the uknown, one last thing, why the hell are we using wicker crates for nat racing when geraldy has three sides water and brillant air flow,think o the doos for once,

 

Davie would you say your federation racing and returns have improved since you got your new transporter

[JohnQuinn]

So John are you saying 3 will get training ,the rest will go straight into the races with no tossing

 

Aye Phil that's exactly what I am saying. The will get basket trained but only 3 will go road training and only because I feel obliged to give the ppl who's birds I am racing in the competitions the best opportunity of winning a prize.

Couldn't care less if I am last every week in Yb racing am just not feeding the predators midweek when it is completely unnecessary.

 

Dam of Told You So, no training or racing as a Yb and won 3 races and a wallet of money as a yearling. Bred off her at end of season and Told You So was her latebred son. No training or racing as a Yb. Scored in Yrlg Derby and won £388 outa Maidstone carrying 4 nest flights. Stayed with me for 5 seasons winning over £3k.

Equipoise, latebred G/ Dght of TYS, untrained/raced as Yb won the Sec fae SNFC Ypres and a wallet of money. Also 12thSec 70th Bovingdon SNFC.

 

Training IS OVER RATED. The proof is above.

[Roland]

To what success at what distance, also is it just flying around the loft that gets them fit enough, to go straight to races.

 

Young birds winning club and fed. Fact. Yearlings sections in Nationals first time in in basket up to 400 odd miles, fact and 2 y/o's and 2 year old section winners from Pau first time in basket. Fact.

I've won 140 milers first time in basket. Others likewise. Indeed One fancier trains his north roaders and not his S. roaders due to being able to have the North Trained, and not the South Roaders... He wins on both roads ... In fact does better in the South Road club. WHERE the competition is far more. Indeed his South roader never get trained.

 

One has to have a bird mentally fit, loft fit before even training.

I'd say also, well guess, breeding from only proven birds allows success for this.

Gary Edmunds was possibly the best fancier I've ever met. And I've met, and am friend will many well known 'Names .... I fly against 7 national winners locally also .... He only ever gave his birds two tosses. One at 20 miles and one at 50 miles.... as y/b's. They never ever went again.

[Delboy]

Young birds winning club and fed. Fact. Yearlings sections in Nationals first time in in basket up to 400 odd miles, fact and 2 y/o's and 2 year old section winners from Pau first time in basket. Fact.

I've won 140 milers first time in basket. Others likewise. Indeed One fancier trains his north roaders and not his S. roaders due to being able to have the North Trained, and not the South Roaders... He wins on both roads ... In fact does better in the South Road club. WHERE the competition is far more. Indeed his South roader never get trained.

 

One has to have a bird mentally fit, loft fit before even training.

I'd say also, well guess, breeding from only proven birds allows success for this.

Gary Edmunds was possibly the best fancier I've ever met. And I've met, and am friend will many well known 'Names .... I fly against 7 national winners locally also .... He only ever gave his birds two tosses. One at 20 miles and one at 50 miles.... as y/b's. They never ever went again.

 

This is all very interesting Roland but im afraid we have drifted away from the point. Percy has got a grip on the doo game and we do nothing.

[Dave barrie]

hard to say dave the same names are clocking but the birdage did dropcause o dodgy comebacks which are a waste o time imo,the watering on geraldy is first class, couldnt get better with good airflow and fed in the front tray,if its really hot you can travel with shutters up, got to be better surely.

[robbiedoo.]

hard to say dave the same names are clocking but the birdage did dropcause o dodgy comebacks which are a waste o time imo,the watering on geraldy is first class, couldnt get better with good airflow and fed in the front tray,if its really hot you can travel with shutters up, got to be better surely.

 

Dinna think the comebacks were the reason for the birdcage dropping Davie we only had 1 and that was at the end of the season.