geordie1234 Posted September 21, 2016 Report Posted September 21, 2016 Geo, you are partly correct m8.The keel feathers are parted because of the fancier running their fingers up it several times and sometimes licking their fingers and spreading the feathers to view the colour of the breast. This is wrong in my opinion as most fanciers do not re-position the feathers as they were and this could be detrimental to the birds whilst in flight. Ive had many distance birds with lots of keel feather covering, some capable and some not . The bottom line with distance birds Peter is, they've either got it or they haven't, fk all to do with feathers on their keel imo.I never part feathers during the season tbh Del as I was told it can take up to two weeks for them to go back to normal...whether that's correct or not I don't know
Wiley Posted September 21, 2016 Report Posted September 21, 2016 I think your living in the past peter...Ask George Baird what he feeds up in Bonny Scotland as he feeds what this southerner feeds all year round.Ask Tommy Bhoys what he feeds in the winter im sure its 100% barley...Modern upto date WINNING lofts!!! True say these are not national men but they are amongst the winners consistently upto 300 miles, and with lofts like this they need the form to be there from word go and all season, and not just in june july when the distance men come to the fore past 300 miles. A thick covering of down in these months and when ya birds are racing down south in our glorious warmth they will sweat their bollocks off like if you was wearing two jackets, a three piece suit and sunglasses and a wolly hat!! Maybe tou can answer what the TOP distance men of modern times feed up in scotland then we might be getting somewhere closer to the answer you are seeking?
Delboy Posted September 21, 2016 Report Posted September 21, 2016 I never part feathers during the season tbh Del as I was told it can take up to two weeks for them to go back to normal...whether that's correct or not I don't know
Valiant Fifer Posted September 21, 2016 Report Posted September 21, 2016 Pigeons dont sweat they have no glands for that.However i dint think it matters if you can part the keek feathers easily or not. I think it down to the temp in the loft and outside in the summer months. I think their easier to part at that time and the birds are in condition and hopefuly form. I have parted the feathers around the keel a few days before basketing and they have still came up trumphs so i dont think it matters.
Wiley Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Pigeons dont sweat they have no glands for that.However i dint think it matters if you can part the keek feathers easily or not. I think it down to the temp in the loft and outside in the summer months. I think their easier to part at that time and the birds are in condition and hopefuly form. I have parted the feathers around the keel a few days before basketing and they have still came up trumphs so i dont think it matters. Sorry Valliant you must excuse me 'sweating there bollocks off' was just an expression used down south and was not meant to be taken literal, as most fanciers would be aware that pigeons regulate their tempreture by their air sacs, as you quiet rightly said they have no glands for sweating.
geordie1234 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) Sorry Valliant you must excuse me 'sweating there bollocks off' was just an expression used down south and was not meant to be taken literal, as most fanciers would be aware that pigeons regulate their tempreture by their air sacs, as you quiet rightly said they have no glands for sweating.What ye meant is we are sweaty jocks lol Edited September 22, 2016 by geordie1234
peter pandy Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Posted September 22, 2016 """They've either got it or they have'nt"""sic..Del, So, why oh why did we have more 500-600 milers sitting in our lofts over the Winter having completed a full race programne in the 70,80,90's than we have now ???.
Guest johnhunter Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 """They've either got it or they have'nt"""sic..Del, So, why oh why did we have more 500-600 milers sitting in our lofts over the Winter having completed a full race programne in the 70,80,90's than we have now ???.some had peter, plenty had not,, same as today
kingbilly 1 Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 """They've either got it or they have'nt"""sic..Del, So, why oh why did we have more 500-600 milers sitting in our lofts over the Winter having completed a full race programne in the 70,80,90's than we have now ???.P O P is the answer
Valiant Fifer Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Sorry Valliant you must excuse me 'sweating there bollocks off' was just an expression used down south and was not meant to be taken literal, as most fanciers would be aware that pigeons regulate their tempreture by their air sacs, as you quiet rightly said they have no glands for sweating. Sorry Valliant you must excuse me 'sweating there bollocks off' was just an expression used down south and was not meant to be taken literal, as most fanciers would be aware that pigeons regulate their tempreture by their air sacs, as you quiet rightly said they have no glands for sweating. Yes you are correct wiley
peter pandy Posted September 22, 2016 Author Report Posted September 22, 2016 Ok then Wiley you have mentioned "Temperature being controlled by Air Sacks" which is all important when sitting in the loft. However I am writing on the subject about energy when racing and the heat loss through lack of covering over the Keel..
Delboy Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 """They've either got it or they have'nt"""sic..Del, So, why oh why did we have more 500-600 milers sitting in our lofts over the Winter having completed a full race programne in the 70,80,90's than we have now ???. expletive remove Peter, you need to come into the 21st century.I remember we had 32 birds and 27 had flown the channel, that was in the 70s and the birds didn't have the hazards they have now. Everybody had distance birds and everybody went to Rennes, if they could.It was a piece of P*** to get birds home from 500 miles then, in fact, sometimes we had to cull birds that had flown the water several times because they weren't quick enough. You must live here and now and if I was in your position in your section I would be very disappointed if I didn't get at least one top 5 EVERY year, no excuses.
Guest johnhunter Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 expletive remove Peter, you need to come into the 21st century.I remember we had 32 birds and 27 had flown the channel, that was in the 70s and the birds didn't have the hazards they have now. Everybody had distance birds and everybody went to Rennes, if they could.It was a piece of P*** to get birds home from 500 miles then, in fact, sometimes we had to cull birds that had flown the water several times because they weren't quick enough. You must live here and now and if I was in your position in your section I would be very disappointed if I didn't get at least one top 5 EVERY year, no excuses.fpmsl
tommy bhoys Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 AYE, So am I..and so am i peter best in scotland our bridge bhoy location disnae count eh ????
Delboy Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 and so am i peter best in scotland our bridge bhoy location disnae count eh ???? Thanks m8
Valiant Fifer Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 Meant to say earlier pigeons also let some heat out through tiny minute holes in their feathers on the wing particularly during long hrs on the wing.
Dave barrie Posted September 22, 2016 Report Posted September 22, 2016 we never check the keel up here, its to cold, cant take the gloves off long enough to bother about that but the eggs hatch well enough peter.
peter pandy Posted September 23, 2016 Author Report Posted September 23, 2016 Meant to say earlier pigeons also let some heat out through tiny minute holes in their feathers on the wing particularly during long hrs on the wing. When I read this I had to check the date.. NAW its not the 1st April.
Guest johnhunter Posted September 23, 2016 Report Posted September 23, 2016 When I read this I had to check the date.. NAW its not the 1st April.
Valiant Fifer Posted September 23, 2016 Report Posted September 23, 2016 Nope not a wind up peter, i shoulda said pigeons release heat from the feather shaft or vane as those parts are hollow. They are then conected to the pigeons blood flow hot or cold it varies depending on the birds temp when resting or flying. Suppose these parts are a bit like a car radiator which when used more it heats up then the thermostat kicks in and triggers the fan to come on. As u know peter pigeons regulate all this themselves via the air sacs but also the above which i mentioned. It will come into more effect with long hrs on the wing with our long distance doos hopefuly.Dont underestimate this.
Guest johnhunter Posted September 23, 2016 Report Posted September 23, 2016 Nope not a wind up peter, i shoulda said pigeons release heat from the feather shaft or vane as those parts are hollow. They are then conected to the pigeons blood flow hot or cold it varies depending on the birds temp when resting or flying. Suppose these parts are a bit like a car radiator which when used more it heats up then the thermostat kicks in and triggers the fan to come on. As u know peter pigeons regulate all this themselves via the air sacs but also the above which i mentioned. It will come into more effect with long hrs on the wing with our long distance doos hopefuly.Dont underestimate this. fifer whit month do I put the anti freeze in lol
Valiant Fifer Posted September 23, 2016 Report Posted September 23, 2016 Na a wouldnt advise that m8, but you could try it in their water if ye like then post on here ur findings! Ps ru in a hurry to bring in new stock.
peter pandy Posted September 24, 2016 Author Report Posted September 24, 2016 Nope not a wind up peter, i shoulda said pigeons release heat from the feather shaft or vane as those parts are hollow. They are then conected to the pigeons blood flow hot or cold it varies depending on the birds temp when resting or flying. Suppose these parts are a bit like a car radiator which when used more it heats up then the thermostat kicks in and triggers the fan to come on. As u know peter pigeons regulate all this themselves via the air sacs but also the above which i mentioned. It will come into more effect with long hrs on the wing with our long distance doos hopefuly.Dont underestimate this. Very Interesting, And could you please tell me which Scientific Paper you read this in ?. As the science on Pigeon flight and its energy uses are not long completed using the latest technology with wind tunnels in Europe, USA, South Africa, Australia.Information gathered includes, Ltr's of Oxygen used per minute, Carbohydrate use and burn up rate, Where and when Blood Fats are used, Energy expelled for flight heat through the breast "lack of feathering" at 18-22 Mtrs per Second of flight etc etc. As Derek said !!. ""I need to move into the 21st Century"", sic, And here was me thinking I was keeping abreast of knowledge..
St Finnan Loft Posted September 24, 2016 Report Posted September 24, 2016 Nope not a wind up peter, i shoulda said pigeons release heat from the feather shaft or vane as those parts are hollow. They are then conected to the pigeons blood flow hot or cold it varies depending on the birds temp when resting or flying. Suppose these parts are a bit like a car radiator which when used more it heats up then the thermostat kicks in and triggers the fan to come on. As u know peter pigeons regulate all this themselves via the air sacs but also the above which i mentioned. It will come into more effect with long hrs on the wing with our long distance doos hopefuly.Dont underestimate this.
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