Young Bird Sickness

[Delboy]

First of, I do use and recommend Garden line in the water, though not all the year round. Mostly only when my pigeons maybe put in a distressing place.... It has a soothing effect. Secondarily I never said Onions for Y/bs sick ness, or any other for that matter, but as a proven method of gathering viruses etc. and removing from the loft as and when / if entering. It was discovered after the Spanish flu epidemic.

Also please, one or two of you grow up and stop trying to boo- hoo and belittle posts because you don't have any sensible cock backs. You only show yourselves up.

Further to say that every one has had y/bs could be liken to saying EVERY wife strays and has affairs... Just not true, though many have done in past and present no doubt.

Kyleakin I'd no more want you to remove any post, good or bad on my account. I'm more than able, and thick skinned enough to handle that lol.

 

P.s Derek, a good post A. you say in your opinion and that is a right etc.

How ever again Not all kids go down...

 

You have most likely seen, experienced, heard that 'Good Pigeons never seem to be ill'! Maybe because of a good constitution and health that they don't go down even though they may be sharing the same loft and drinkers. Maybe mine ... But then I very much doubt 50% let alone all, have such a good health check etc.

Some times one or two of mine 'Go Light' where as 95% don't follow suit.

Further ALL lofts carry their own ailments and are immune to them... whereas others birds bought in aren't and quickly show the effects.

Hence often the fancier thay got them of carry the blame etc. THOUGH they are all perfectly in good health etc. in their loft. Must be or one visiting, seeing theior races results etc. wouldn't have them.

 

I rest my case ma lud!!! These ybs going light have YBS in most cases.Not every yb gets yb sickness, in my loft its only usually a couple, BUT, it is Y B S that is there, nothing else and when this virus is present in the loft the birds aren't right, although most might appear to be.

Edited October 8, 2015 by Delboy

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Interesting reading. Some of the points made make me think back to conversations I've had with one of my old clubmates and closest friends in the sport. He has been around pigeon racing since the year dot haha and done it all. He is of the belief YBS isn't a modern phenomena and that symptoms of it were shown decades ago. Particularly the 'going light' kyleakin and delboy have mentioned. One thing he did say,was the cure was a little different in those days lol. Which may link in with Tony C's theory.

 

Losses are another thing we've spoke about,you hear of some of the old fanciers saying they would get 18rings and be left with 17 flown the program. From his experiences this is perhaps a bit of a selective memory,as he can recall not only good seasons,but years when they were left wi 3 youngyins and races when only 4 youngsters made it home into the whole village on the day etc.

 

Is he pulling ma p * isher or is this the truth?

[walterboswell59]

think i have put as much time and thought into this problem as anyone we dont know the cause or the cure but i agree with dell that its a virus and also agree that many fanciers dont know they have it in the early stages only that they are not winning and losing yb in training and racing and also the vets and so called experts dont know what it is or what cures it but will gladly take your money if your going to get it you will get it no matter how carefull you are or how good a fancier you think you are my personal opinion is that ybs is man made and is a mutation from paramixo or the paramixo vaccine as before we were forced by law to vaccinate there was no such thing as yb sickness the best you can do is have something in the water to help keep it from spreading through the loft and treating for the secondary infections which can follow if not spotted early and hope that you have the mild form which will improve after two or three weeks the strong yb will shake it off while the weakest will get worse and should be put down imo but with ybs everyone has there valid points on the subject because like i said at the start no fancier and none of the experts know the cause or the cure

[Roland]

Some times one or two of mine 'Go Light' where as 95% don't follow suit. said Delby, trying to make a straight line a circle. ...

Cocci and / or much else I will agree over time I've had. BUT were and are quickly cured to no ill effect.

Next you'll be saying Para, Salmonella, Stropci etc. etc are the same - because symtoms are similar. Well, Well, Then a dose Oxtetracycline will do them all eh!

Oxtetracycline is / was before Bio Cure the only remedy for Salmonella / Family infections.

Regards Salmonella Dafra (Scotland) said it was the only cure.

 

Yet many still tried and found Baytril etc. useless. Nor will Bio Cure (As good as it is cure all. Now as then there are and have been many such illnesses similar, but to class all as the same or one is folly of the highest order....

 

The biggest problem is the constitution and immune systems are being hammered by incest breeding. YET still many breed a loft full of culls because they read a Father daughter pairing produced ... etc. They scorn a good birds results because thay have paid a fortune for a paper good on paper..'

 

Jonas Salk's polio jabs worked wonders, and still does, Old remedy eh! Well if not broken don't try and fix it!.

[peter pandy]

Walter I do believe you are way off the mark regarding vaccinating for Paramyxo. I personally know fanciers who dont vaccinate just like you and many others know who they are who dont vaccinate BUT wont admit to it. A couple who come into that category who I know personally and had YBS every year started vaccinating and they are now YBS free. How many fanciers can honestly say they have vaccinated every year since 1982. Its like over use of antibiotics when you stop the problems arise. Some fanciers are their own worst enemy.

[St Finnan Loft]

I am Looking for some fanciers who have NOT had YBS to fill in a small questionnaire

 

Not interested in theories or ideas just answers to my questions

 

If interested please PM me for the questions

 

 

 

Ian

 

I was walking past the vets yesterday and saw a group of various wild birds in a line, I asked them what they were waiting on only to be told,

we are waiting on this Avian vet, he seems to know better than Mother Nature on how to keep us healthy, Then I heard a voice say, "Here have a

cuppa you were in another world, what were you dreaming about?" When not dreaming, I often look at the wild birds in the countryside and marvel at

there health, no medication and no vets, only survival of the fittest and no young bird sickness!

[just ask me]

In a lot of cases ybs is the adeano virus in some form or another

[We man]

I was walking past the vets yesterday and saw a group of various wild birds in a line, I asked them what they were waiting on only to be told,

we are waiting on this Avian vet, he seems to know better than Mother Nature on how to keep us healthy, Then I heard a voice say, "Here have a

cuppa you were in another world, what were you dreaming about?" When not dreaming, I often look at the wild birds in the countryside and marvel at

there health, no medication and no vets, only survival of the fittest and no young bird sickness!

Nice one.

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Kyleakin, Regards so called 'Old remedies' what time does one put on them? Further many still are used today very effectively. Mind I don't for a moment think Lime could be classed as an Old remedy. Mind they did and do still peck out the old lime cement in buildings etc. The Polio jab was one such thought. that it was no longer of use, especially as Polio was a thing of the past ... how wrong and how quickly did it come back into use after disastrous effecting so many!

Spit, especially a smokers for One eye cold, is still very effective and cost nowt. Company's with spout many reasons why and what it is and SALE concoctions... Probably the base of a smokers spit lol.

Bird waning and not seemingly able to get to 100% ... Pull the two end tail feathers out! One each side./ Boo - hoo it all one likes, but it has the desired effect.

Rusty nail in the drinkers may be pushing it a bit lol .... But in essence ?

Often heard, indeed once done it, the swilling the hose in the drinker to aireate it ... waste of time of course. Further if one could add air to the blood system it would quickly kill the bird. Like wise iron ... Only needs 0,05$ tops, so add as much spinach to the drinker as you like... The waste is quickly passed through. And once the cup is brimful it can't hold any more!

But if one stood back and saw the amount of medication they have in the medical box.... If one would only equate why company's advertise, they would gather that profits bear a large part of it. Obviously otherwise they wouldn't exist.

Yogurts, for example and Anti Biotic etc. Live would be dead before it hit the shelves. Dead... wouldn't be of use... May make the bird look great or something. So does a little bleach in the water, etc. etc.

But we read into too much far too often without using our common sense... especially if told, or endorsed by ...! Look at the notice board in the doctors surgery. Anti biotics lol.

Often said nothing new under the sun¬!

 

Thanks for posting some of the old remedies. They were and still are effective, more importantly costing very little and sometimes nothing. They are often, if checked, supported by science. The modern remedies, in my opinion, are the ones costing money and being advertised. Some are completely useless and tend only to satisfy the fancier. Nothing is won from out of a bottle, but often bottles tend to placate the fancier and make him feel she is doing his part. There are some very effective modern remedies that "do what it says on the bottle" and quickly. It is this time that is sometimes of essence.

[Roland]

I was walking past the vets yesterday and saw a group of various wild birds in a line, I asked them what they were waiting on only to be told,

we are waiting on this Avian vet, he seems to know better than Mother Nature on how to keep us healthy. Then I heard a voice say, "Here have a

cuppa you were in another world, what were you dreaming about?" When not dreaming, I often look at the wild birds in the countryside and marvel at

their' health, no medication and no vets, only survival of the fittest and no young bird sickness!

 

Nice one. Sums up the stupidity of man and his bloated ego's, greed regards money and self importants. Every time they meddle with Nature, they get a kick back.

The naive one listens and follows suit ... the wise one thinks and acts for his self eh!

[Roland]

Avian Flu was - like Swine man was made by the USA. Took to court at Helsinki they hade to change many time consuming laws so they couldn't be prosecuted for the Swine Flu. Though some are still trying.

G.W. Bush and his hoppo Rummpy sold off their Oils shares and brought out a useless 'The only currently available cure for avian flu is a drug called Tamiflu. In Nov. 1, 2005 -- President Bush outlined a long-awaited national preparedness plan for pandemic influenza Tuesday, asking Congress for $7.1 billion in emergency spending to boost the country's readiness for an outbreak that could include bird flu. He sold it in batches at £200,000 a throw. We, like many others helped with the #Old Boys' act and Blair brought stacks. At most it could only slow it down for a short time. Made much more than his Oil wells etc.

[dal2]

Ybs if managed properly and caught early ( no proper racing Man should ever be caught out in my opinion) is over and done with in less than a week. As has been stated have won with a team that were treated and returned to duty when fit.

 

Have syringe fed poorly birds bringing them back from deaths door and won with them, so constitution maybe not with all?

[paddymac]

I was walking past the vets yesterday and saw a group of various wild birds in a line, I asked them what they were waiting on only to be told,

we are waiting on this Avian vet, he seems to know better than Mother Nature on how to keep us healthy, Then I heard a voice say, "Here have a

cuppa you were in another world, what were you dreaming about?" When not dreaming, I often look at the wild birds in the countryside and marvel at

there health, no medication and no vets, only survival of the fittest and no young bird sickness!

Very true

[dal2]

Very true

Two years ago we were killing collared doves to put them out of their misery cos of some illness that was affecting them. Natural selection?

[just ask me]

Good birds so get sick no doubt about that the same as every other animal how many good horses have been pulled from racing dogs been pulled from racing and not to mention humans

 

Also how many have been sick when there young and go on to be champions

[Roland]

The rule of the thumb is very much more accurate and reliable than the odd once in a life time. One swallow doesn't make a summer does it!

[dal2]

The rule of the thumb is very much more accurate and reliable than the odd once in a life time. One swallow doesn't make a summer does it!

Ah the rule..............remind me of the rule of pigeon racing Roly

[Roland]

Ah the rule..............remind me of the rule of pigeon racing Roly

Do you have a 100 years spare then lol

[walterboswell59]

Walter I do believe you are way off the mark regarding vaccinating for Paramyxo. I personally know fanciers who dont vaccinate just like you and many others know who they are who dont vaccinate BUT wont admit to it. A couple who come into that category who I know personally and had YBS every year started vaccinating and they are now YBS free. How many fanciers can honestly say they have vaccinated every year since 1982. Its like over use of antibiotics when you stop the problems arise. Some fanciers are their own worst enemy.

not vaccinating your birds would not stop you from getting it from someone who has but why was there no ybs before vaccination started thats what makes me think theres a conection somewhere but like everyone else its only an opinion peter no one knows the cause but at least my theory would make sence does anyone else think they know the cause if so lets hear it maybe someone will crack it

[Kyleakin Lofts]

The rule of pigeon racing is that there is no rule other than "Many roads lead to Rome".

[leslie24williams49]

i don,t think YBS is a virus,for a start nystatin anti-fungal cures it in a couple of days..a virus takes several weeks to take its course..and cannot be cured with medicines etc.

[just ask me]

why would anyone take the chance of not vaccinating there birds apart from it been the law and could put pigeon racing in big trouble if ever it got out the vaccinations are not only in place for our own birds but the poultry industry which is a mega business within the uk if the french knew there may be birds going over the water without being vacinated they would stop racing from france

 

what will happen is we all will be gong bk to pay a vet to make sure we are complying with the laws of the land then there will be some complaining

 

apart from everything else your not just puting your own birds at risk but your club members birds at risk health wise and maybe future racing from france

[tambla51]

U are only curing the secondery infections,many won't get any. The virus has to run it's course many not knowing that they have the virus and that's why there is so many losses.

[walterboswell59]

U are only curing the secondery infections,many won't get any. The virus has to run it's course many not knowing that they have the virus and that's why there is so many losses.

correct tam

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I'd never have thought it until I seen the results of some fanciers every week with youngsters. Team performances from start to finish, with little variation in the numbers they send. Not sending 80 one week and 12 the next etc. I'm now lead to believe large aviaries go a long way to preventing ybs and speeding up it's recovery. After all it's harder to trap viruses etc. in an aviary than in the loft.

 

Know of fanciers who built huge full length aviaries on their yb lofts and have had minimal yb loses since. These guys know what they are doing otherwise and have class birds but there is maybe something in it.