Young Bird Training Is It A Necessity?

[will]

What do you think of training young birds?is it necessary.Only asking because no matter how far they are taken,5,10,20 miles,and in any direction,there are always some missing or they take hours or days to return in drips and drabs.They are flying well at home and range and all are fit.First race is about 70 miles,would you put them in without any road training,safety in numbers springs to mind.

[Delboy]

Training is necessary, whether its latebreds or old stock birds you want to change into racers, everyone should train them ybs deffo need schooled imo

[geordie1234]

Unfortunately I think it's imperative to be trained....distance not so important but trained from a basket a 2 b 100%

[Wiley]

If u race in a strong sprint competition and want to be competitive as young birds its a must

[WulDon]

how else you going to educate them? young bird losses are here for ever more...

[bullcock]

I believe they need to learn their trade and education for young birds is a must.

[frank-123]

Four five tosses then every race if I had the doos.Keep them healthy the less times they run the gauntlet the better. You could train them 20 times and they get scattered four or five times by the time the first race comes they won't want to come out the basketn on race day.

[lanarkshire lad]

What you learn young you learn best. Get them trained in the year of there birth disnae need to be long tosses but the good ones are born not made.jmo

[Delboy]

What you learn young you learn best. Get them trained in the year of there birth disnae need to be long tosses but the good ones are born not made.jmo

 

[Guest stb-]

YES even just some training for them in and out and home preferebly on there own a few times i personally like them split up and using there head . Dont have to be raced JMO

[VAGIN]

Im only up the road from you. So far I have had 8 tosses up to30 mls with no losses and thats putting them up in 4s . I feel if you dont train your birds when they go to there 1st race they will go round and round looking for there loft at the the race point. This can cause a lot of stress and and what happens to your birds after that is anyones guess. Plus the fact if your birds are not fit im sure they wont make it either

[walterboswell59]

deff yes for me the more the better distance not important repetition over the last ten miles or so in the safest place you can find but its getting harder to find a safe 10 miles anywhere fanciers who send birds to the first race untrained put all our birds at risk imo

[Guest stb-]

deff yes for me the more the better distance not important repetition over the last ten miles or so in the safest place you can find but its getting harder to find a safe 10 miles anywhere fanciers who send birds to the first race untrained put all our birds at risk imo

correct walter mill about holding others back you only need one clown in yer batch to do it ,, the batch goes to break for home and the clown peels of and goes round again pulling them all back imagine 100s like that that why batches mill round for ages at racepoints

[Walter swanston]

Yes I think young bird training is a necessity mainly for all the reasons mentioned here by experienced fanciers.However I only have a small young bird team (about 28) and I about to vaccinate, train and race them for maybe four races but I have to admit my hearts in my mouth while doing so as I hate to sit and look at an empty loft all winter

[bigbill]

just had my first training toss from about 6 miles, what a buzz seeing them flying back around the loft, yes training is a most,

[Guest Jamsie]

deff yes for me the more the better distance not important repetition over the last ten miles or so in the safest place you can find but its getting harder to find a safe 10 miles anywhere fanciers who send birds to the first race untrained put all our birds at risk imo

 

Ditto :emoticon-0137-clapping:

[TheHigg]

deff yes for me the more the better distance not important repetition over the last ten miles or so in the safest place you can find but its getting harder to find a safe 10 miles anywhere fanciers who send birds to the first race untrained put all our birds at risk imo

Walter correct me if I'm wrong mate are you saying if we get a few chucks from a safe ten mile then we should be ready to race obviously we would all like better but will ten mile be enough to keep them on the straight and narrow

[TheHigg]

deff yes for me the more the better distance not important repetition over the last ten miles or so in the safest place you can find but its getting harder to find a safe 10 miles anywhere fanciers who send birds to the first race untrained put all our birds at risk imo

Walter correct me if I'm wrong mate are you saying if we get a few chucks from a safe ten mile then we should be ready to race obviously we would all like better but will ten mile be enough to keep them on the straight and narrow I would like to add I have not had a chuck with the youngsters yet I absolutely hate it

[walterboswell59]

Walter correct me if I'm wrong mate are you saying if we get a few chucks from a safe ten mile then we should be ready to race obviously we would all like better but will ten mile be enough to keep them on the straight and narrow I would like to add I have not had a chuck with the youngsters yet I absolutely hate it

yes joe but plenty of them m8 back in a mo going to get the mrs ok im back a youngbird team that have been out every day rangeing must be able to see 20 or thirty miles all round the loft from the sky maybe a lot more but im talking about 15 to 20 tosses from a short distance not 2 or 3 youngbirds are already fit if they have been rangeing for an hour or two everyday if not theres something wrong with them imo its about learning them to clear quickly when you lib them and straight into the loft when they get home and more often the better why risk a 30 mile toss and hit when you can have 3 ten mile tosses and all home safe but you have to find the safe 10 or 15 miles thats the hard part trial and error im afraid

Edited July 11, 2015 by walterboswell59

[Michael J Burden]

So I just dont get it what has been written above.

 

If there are birds untrained my trained pigeons will get confused?

 

 

I am sure at every liberation there are some birds which should not be there but are. They do not leave the race point but there is always a winner.

 

I have trained my ybs every way you can imagine. Short tosses loads and loads of them upto x3 times a day. First toss from 25 miles and even 35 miles as their first toss today, lost some.

 

I have entered Ybs in every race going before the YB National which is 300 miles or more. Then sent some never had a race in their lives and got them.

 

I would hate to send them to their first race without any training at all, if only x5 5 miles tosses. I did this with 5 later breds YBs and had them all home by the end of the night from mid day liberation. Good pigeons are hard to loose.

 

OMO MJB

[walterboswell59]

correct walter mill about holding others back you only need one clown in yer batch to do it ,, the batch goes to break for home and the clown peels of and goes round again pulling them all back imagine 100s like that that why batches mill round for ages at racepoints

seen it loads of times rab just add 6 youngbirds going for there first toss to a team of 50 that have had a dozen tosses and see how they hold the big team back flying round and coming back giving percy time to see and get to them dont know why guys dont see this and theres more doing it every year totally unfair to the rest of the convoy but thats just my opinion

[gulkie]

seen it loads of times rab just add 6 youngbirds going for there first toss to a team of 50 that have had a dozen tosses and see how they hold the big team back flying round and coming back giving percy time to see and get to them dont know why guys dont see this and theres more doing it every year totally unfair to the rest of the convoy but thats just my opinion

Your spot on Walter i added 10 to my team last week Thats had 6 tosses And

They didnt clear for 15 mins And took longer to come Home ,but ok now .

[TheHigg]

seen it loads of times rab just add 6 youngbirds going for there first toss to a team of 50 that have had a dozen tosses and see how they hold the big team back flying round and coming back giving percy time to see and get to them dont know why guys dont see this and theres more doing it every year totally unfair to the rest of the convoy but thats just my opinion

So basicly we need to get our birds taught that they have to get there bearings and head for home before putting them up with birds that already know the score makes a lot of sense no point in holding back the progress that other fanciers and their birds. Have made

[ovy1255]

breed latebreds -don't train them over the winter--come next year they will look like pictures--but race them next year and expect 99% losses.

yes there is exceptions but IMO TRAIN AS Y/BIRDS THEY LEARN BETTER -- Start training at 14 weeks old.

[walterboswell59]

breed latebreds -don't train them over the winter--come next year they will look like pictures--but race them next year and expect 99% losses.

yes there is exceptions but IMO TRAIN AS Y/BIRDS THEY LEARN BETTER -- Start training at 14 weeks old.

bang on ovy not got a brain there head if you dont