Birds Of Prey

[Walter swanston]

Question: if a fancier asks to register his birds onto an ETS system with electronic rings retrieved from the nests of peregrines is this acceptable?

[bullcock]

Morally Not really, but they are expensive and if someone can get the use out of them then fair play.

[andy Burgess]

if they don't have a phone number or contact details then why not ?

[tommy bhoys]

Question: if a fancier asks to register his birds onto an ETS system with electronic rings retrieved from the nests of peregrines is this acceptable?

how do you know he got them from peregrines nest in first place ?as we have a problem in this sport with people taking them of birds still

[Guest Owen]

Those rings are not yours to use. If they are used I think it would be theft. It can not be right for someone to benefit from rings which are the property of someone else. In any case it is morally wrong to do a thing like that. I think that if I could prove that someone had stolen my rings I would be very angry.

I sometimes wonder what sort of people we are involved with when I hear some of the rubbish attitudes that some people have. I have had people tell me that they can't send for strays because they can't afford it. Now this. Then I go to Fares and events like Blackpool and I see people spending big money on birds and some of the rubbish that some traders have on offer and it does not make much sense at all.

If this is an honorable sport followed by honerable people we should be above doing things like that.

[Guest IB]

Those ETS rings, life rings and the pigeons that carried them belong to someone, and that someone can be identified from details held within the ETS ring, which should be returned to the rightful owner. I'm certain the owner would also be interested in what happened to his/her pigeon.

[bibendium]

Those ETS rings, life rings and the pigeons that carried them belong to someone, and that someone can be identified from details held within the ETS ring, which should be returned to the rightful owner. I'm certain the owner would also be interested in what happened to his/her pigeon.

 

wholeheartedly agree with this

[Tony C]

Tis theft, simples.

[walterboswell59]

found rings should be handed in to shu or rpra ets rings should only be able to be wiped bye the fancier who owns it imo this would stop the theft of rings from birds

[Walter swanston]

Those rings are not yours to use. If they are used I think it would be theft. It can not be right for someone to benefit from rings which are the property of someone else. In any case it is morally wrong to do a thing like that. I think that if I could prove that someone had stolen my rings I would be very angry.

I sometimes wonder what sort of people we are involved with when I hear some of the rubbish attitudes that some people have. I have had people tell me that they can't send for strays because they can't afford it. Now this. Then I go to Fares and events like Blackpool and I see people spending big money on birds and some of the rubbish that some traders have on offer and it does not make much sense at all.

If this is an honorable sport followed by honerable people we should be above doing things like that.

[moscow master]

think were going off track here thers a big difference to birds returning without a ets ring to a percys nest being emptied of which could have inexcess of 200 ets and life rings all mixed up this could take some amount of time to sort out who they belong to and posting them back to their owners the life rings are easly put in the bhw as for the ets rings am sure the owner wouldnt want the hassle of sending for it so crack on walter and reuse them i would and remember and publish the life rings as its nice to know where they go ps theres some miserable gits in this game lol

[Walter swanston]

Just to make it clear I personally am not using these ETS rings but I might be placed in situation where I could be asked to register them.There are no identification rings either SHU or RPRA involved here

[bibendium]

Just to make it clear I personally am not using these ETS rings but I might be placed in situation where I could be asked to register them.There are no identification rings either SHU or RPRA involved here

Walter are you sure these came from a percy nest, seems odd that there are no life rings but just ETS

[Walter swanston]

Absolutely positive,guys in the birds of prey preservation business are extremely secretive over this business and categorically refuse to admit to finding life rings and I know this attitude does not square with having ETS rings

[Guest Redadam]

Not really

[yeboah]

Absolutely no chance of the peregrine boys handing over registration rings they are binned daily ets also disposed of,

If one of them is willing to hand them to a close friend whom he has grown up with and no chance of numbers being disclosed then good luck to them better than binned , If any publicity no more hand outs simple it's no rocket science

I like Walter can afford to buy our own some are not in that position

Good luck to them

[walterboswell59]

walter i know what your saying m8 but its the fact that it can be done without the owner of the rings permission im against as it lets the bad guys away with stealing them

[yeboah]

walter i know what your saying m8 but its the fact that it can be done without the owner of the rings permission im against as it lets the bad guys away with stealing them

Walter it's up to the manufacturer s to ensure once they are registered its for life

Then no more arguments but that would be against the nature of mankind

[greenlands]

Walter it's up to the manufacturer s to ensure once they are registered its for life

Then no more arguments but that would be against the nature of mankind

So what you're saying is when for whatever reason you stop racing an old bird or have to dispose of a bird you can't take the ETS ring off and put it on another,the rings are dear enough as it is without them not being reusable.

[ovy1255]

tony at my club sent for ring once cost more in postage than a new ring.

but i suppose it is your property maybe you should be made to retrieve it--------and if you didnt -[suspention]

hells bells --it would be nice to have loft number and chip number published so you could see which one of your birds hit the dust.

as for the ring keep it.

if we want to stop people stealing our rings we need to speak to chip manufacturers and unions and get injectable chips.

or possibly order with loft number imbedded in chip so no one else can use it or alter loft number on ring.

[ovy1255]

if we had open clocks--------we could buy life rings with chips sealed in them .

[aye ready]

wouldn't like to see anyone profiteering from a pigeons demise unless it's your own then your free to do what you want with the ring,if you can't afford them then go back to rubbers after all we clocked in manually not so long ago,i personally went back to rubber rings with my youngsters in 2013 timing into a thimbless T3 and to be honest really enjoyed it timing in from a stall trap and the sooner the chip is in the life ring which i heard that they are working on at the moment the better

[walterboswell59]

So what you're saying is when for whatever reason you stop racing an old bird or have to dispose of a bird you can't take the ETS ring off and put it on another,the rings are dear enough as it is without them not being reusable.

im not saying that lindsay im saying they should not be able to be reg to another fanciers bird without the owners permission simple m8

[greenlands]

Would be good Walter but don't know how.

[Tony C]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_by_finding