Henrik Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Thats correct. Two clocks one race illegal You are not using two clocks, the second one is a back-up in case your ETS fails, just the same as getting 2 STB,s set you can only use the second one if the first clock fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I was told at my club that that is illegal. Had some that weren't ET rung and some that were. Best allowed was Rubber all, or send some as trainers. Mind this maybe different in the SHU than the RPRA. Personally I see no problem with it. Thats correct. Two clocks one race illegal You are not using two clocks, the second one is a back-up in case your ETS fails, just the same as getting 2 STB,s set you can only use the second one if the first clock fails. Read Rolands post!! He is saying he had some rubbered and some not?? He CANNOT use two clocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 1oo per cent correct m8 any cheating thats been done has been with manual clocks and rubbers the only way to cheat ets is people not doing there jobs correctly and keeping to the rules maybe we should all keep an eye on the ones that have manual clocks when they can afford etsthats a total slur on folks character is it not a fact that a club not that far from u caught a guy cheating with ETS the clip ring not closed and a rubber underneath it clip ring was being slipped off after marking showing the bird in basket with rubber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotrod Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Could still be done if you had another in cahoots with you, race marking with ETS or rubbers should be closely scrutinised at all times but we are all guilty of not doing so, the majority of fanciers would never dream of cheating but their will always be one who will take advantage of any slack marking proceduresAfter reading all this thread was going to say the very same thing davie . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulkie Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 to true roland i knew guys that said they could stop and start any manual clock if they wanted also know of clubs that let fanciers take there pool sheets and make ajustments to there sheet after there birds have been race marked and had access to rubbers that could have been added on but untill there caught its speculation nothing more and untill its proved why would anyone want to bring it up if i had proof of any clock of any kind that could be cheated id be at shu door wanting somthing done about it not trying to stir things up on here on open forum no wonder joe public have a low opinion of usWalter quite sure that's not the reason the public has a low opinion of us if it was they would Feel the same towards dog racing horse racing and athletics where it all goes on ,sad but true.I would join u at the shu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 it was cause me a huge problem as i am generally driving back up the road and dont see birds coming home I said snfc , so hows that going two cause you problem ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 I agree with you Bobby. The problem in fact if there is one is down to human error, the same problem can be said about mechanical clocks using rubber rings. bull s hit tell the full story if theres a problem with it ? don't brush it under the carpet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushroom Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 If any ETS clocking system allows the multiple registration of the same ring number then it is not fit for purpose and should be re-called by the manufacturer and updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 If any ETS clocking system allows the multiple registration of the same ring number then it is not fit for purpose and should be re-called by the manufacturer and updated. :emoticon-0137-clapping: and there may be worse if all story.es are true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 :emoticon-0137-clapping: and there may be worse if all story.es are true u must have heard some of the same ones as me John duplicate rings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chad3646 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Thats correct. Two clocks one race illegal You are not using two clocks, the second one is a back-up in case your ETS fails, just the same as getting 2 STB,s set you can only use the second one if the first clock fails. that is correct you have state your number one clock, the other one is a back up clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 You are not using two clocks, the second one is a back-up in case your ETS fails, just the same as getting 2 STB,s set you can only use the second one if the first clock fails. that is correct you have state your number one clock, the other one is a back up clock Thanks for the info and clarifacation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 So a bird has a race ET ring on ... But hasn't been registered. However when the handler puts it on the clock there is a registered ET in his hand. Many alternatives to this COULD be used. Most granted if one is putting his own birds through OR in calhoots. Sadly it has happened. Will also happen again or another way. We must be ever vigulant in our clubs at the marking stations at ALL times I'm afraid. Better to be happy up front than begging after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knoxjn Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 there are days when club and national clash thats why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 Not really Knoxjn. I am at the National marking station and I / We wouldn't allow ANY fancier near his birds. That also means doubly if members of the club we fly in. Maybe I can't speak for all ... But if the case is that we couldn't swapped 'Markers' when a club members' birds go through, then it joplly well should be. Even if it means a fancier from another fed being watched and over seen by the markers such as I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knoxjn Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 no mate i drive a transporter so cant rubber my birds 15 mins after timing as i will be driving the transporter home or to the race in the case of clermont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 there are days when club and national clash thats whyhow many times did happen last 3 years ? in fact how many times have you flown with nat in 3 years ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knoxjn Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 that has nothing at all to do with it as any rule passed would have an impact in the future dont agree with it at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJWa Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 it was cause me a huge problem as i am generally driving back up the road and dont see birds coming home also the disabled fanciers who ets is supposed to helpwould have to catch their birds again to read the rubber number so pointless having it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 that has nothing at all to do with it as any rule passed would have an impact in the future dont agree with it at all you should read ur own post 42 , and as for not agreeing that's ur choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knoxjn Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 as i said there is always a fed race on the day of the inland national and clermont clashed with a young bird race this year so it does happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 as i said there is always a fed race on the day of the inland national and clermont clashed with a young bird race this year so it does happenthat's right and ur birds let them self in as they have done since took the job on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knoxjn Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 thats right dont have anyone to help me at the home end so if i had to rubber them and time in 15 mins after the ets i cannot manage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiger Posted September 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 thats right dont have anyone to help me at the home end so if i had to rubber them and time in 15 mins after the ets i cannot managethen you would need two make a choice then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterboswell59 Posted September 5, 2013 Report Share Posted September 5, 2013 thats a total slur on folks character is it not a fact that a club not that far from u caught a guy cheating with ETS the clip ring not closed and a rubber underneath it clip ring was being slipped off after marking showing the bird in basket with rubberno m8 not that i know of never herd of that before it was not meant to be a slur on anyone thats not cheating only the ones that have been caught is it not a slur on all ets users that they should time a rubber to come on people in glass houses if it was proved that ets was being cheated i would agree with you but like i said all the ones caught cheating so far have been using clocks and rubbers ive no dout ets will be cheated sometime like all the rest of the timing systems but untill then people should not be trying to mix it like a remote control taking a minute off the ets time for f k sake give us a break anyway ive had enough of this stupidty my garage door remote has just opened the sexy blondes blinds across the road shes going in the shower lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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