National Racing?

[DJWa]

Maybe a daft question rab but who flys over 500 miles from inland races ? I've looked at the last few Eastbourne results and the only one that ones close is a guy from Macduff. 491 miles and he was well up in the result .i posted on another thread that due to the boys further north I think Huntingdon would do for an inland race. , I would call it the inland derby. Instead of national , as the INFC. Have a race in there program call a derby ? Would give the guys further north a better / fairer race about 360 /400 miles I would think

 

stuart there are lads in whitehills and portsoy who are

further up (493 to whitehills )

then there the guys in wick who sometimes send

they must be well over 550 miles

channel raceing for them is not really an option

with the likes of clermont being around 700

im I think 456 in aberdeen

[robbiedoo.]

stuart there are lads in whitehills and portsoy who are

further up (493 to whitehills )

then there the guys in wick who sometimes send

they must be well over 550 miles

channel raceing for them is not really an option

with the likes of clermont being around 700

im I think 456 in aberdeen

 

Dave you must be about 570 fae Clermount I,m 603 and Eastbourne I,m 489 mile Ypres 513

[DJWa]

Dave you must be about 570 fae Clermount I,m 603 and Eastbourne I,m 489 mile Ypres 513

 

cant remember Robbie think it was about the same as falaise 580 miles

ypres im 482 miles

[JohnQuinn]

stuart there are lads in whitehills and portsoy who are

further up (493 to whitehills )

then there the guys in wick who sometimes send

they must be well over 550 miles

channel raceing for them is not really an option

with the likes of clermont being around 700

im I think 456 in aberdeen

 

Hi Dave, can i ask what the guys up your way, and farther north, did for 350/400mls racing Before inland Nationals came into the SNFC Program??

[dal2]

Maybe a daft question rab but who flys over 500 miles from inland races ? I've looked at the last few Eastbourne results and the only one that ones close is a guy from Macduff. 491 miles and he was well up in the result .i posted on another thread that due to the boys further north I think Huntingdon would do for an inland race. , I would call it the inland derby. Instead of national , as the INFC. Have a race in there program call a derby ? Would give the guys further north a better / fairer race about 360 /400 miles I would think

No I agree Rab, the boys up north do what they do cos they have too? If the members that fly 300+ want to fly inland nats then thats fair enough but they must accept thats its a whole country affair and that some will be flying considerably less?

 

If not, then its not a national and as the starter of the thread wanted, its a regional affair?

 

We just witnessed an exceptional performance into Moscow from an inland nat that the south should have, on paper, won? And a great 2nd open from a fancier that would not have been deemed in a hot spot down here? That for me keeps the game open for all and if the membership send in numbers to the inland nats then all is good and the club remains healthy?

 

The water races are the holy grail and I think Chris, who could have worded it a bit better, was trying to point that out?

 

I have respect for anybody that turns out top of the list in a nat wotever the distance, having naver done so, but also value the doos that you look at on the result and say ' I wish I could do that'?

 

Spoke to Robbie Higgins at the nat doo this year and he told me of conquests from the coast that would make anybody proud but at the same time knew that we wer racing diffo doos from diffo distances?

 

Top respect for the boys that fly long, the boys that fly in bad bits and the ones that just do it year in year out? Well done.

[robbiedoo.]

Hi Dave, can i ask what the guys up your way, and farther north, did for 350/400mls racing Before inland Nationals came into the SNFC Program??

 

 

John we have 2 Feds races 1 from Leicester 353 mile and another. From Battle 481 mile to me hope this helps you

[DJWa]

Hi Dave, can i ask what the guys up your way, and farther north, did for 350/400mls racing Before inland Nationals came into the SNFC Program??

we went ourselves john down as far as Maidstone

then we altered our program to fly with the snfc

and this year with the north of Scotland fed

[Guest bigda]

if you fly from Ireland out at sea on the west coast every fancier gets there true measure, and no one has any more to fly than within 23 mile from a 550 mile race, you will have fast racing, with west winds less bop attacks

and your velocity's would be in the 1800 every week. GPS would pin point the race measure. and it would cost about £3,000 per race from there. 3,000 birds at £3.00 = £9,000 a £6,000 profit from the race easy break down

£1,600 truck fees and £1,400 boat fee and they would bite the hand of you for that work any day of the week at sea.

[robbiedoo.]

No I agree Rab, the boys up north do what they do cos they have too? If the members that fly 300+ want to fly inland nats then thats fair enough but they must accept thats its a whole country affair and that some will be flying considerably less?

 

If not, then its not a national and as the starter of the thread wanted, its a regional affair?

 

We just witnessed an exceptional performance into Moscow from an inland nat that the south should have, on paper, won? And a great 2nd open from a fancier that would not have been deemed in a hot spot down here? That for me keeps the game open for all and if the membership send in numbers to the inland nats then all is good and the club remains healthy?

 

The water races are the holy grail and I think Chris, who could have worded it a bit better, was trying to point that out?

 

I have respect for anybody that turns out top of the list in a nat wotever the distance, having naver done so, but also value the doos that you look at on the result and say ' I wish I could do that'?

 

Spoke to Robbie Higgins at the nat doo this year and he told me of conquests from the coast that would make anybody proud but at the same time knew that we wer racing diffo doos from diffo distances?

 

Top respect for the boys that fly long, the boys that fly in bad bits and the ones that just do it year in year out? Well done.

 

 

Steve it was nice meeting you I dare say if you stayed up here you would still do well in the nationals .i think we are lucky staying up here for distance reasons as for the inland nationals I used to love them but now don't send lost to much good doos at them especially the first one which comes far to quick for us boys up here IMO. I feel that the only way to get more doos to the channel races would be to either do away with the inland nationals either that or have one the week after the gold cup jmo

[geordie1234]

I think making the first inland the yearling national would be good for the channel doos

[robbiedoo.]

I think making the first inland the yearling national would be good for the channel doos

 

 

What makes you think that when there is fanciers that can't get experienced doos home from it ??

[geordie1234]

What makes you think that when there is fanciers that can't get experienced doos home from it ??

Because for me the SNFC is for racing across the channel but this is only my personal opinion. This maybe would be seen as a compromise and would be good to have a yearling national imo You wouldny ask the British Barcelona club to race fae Eastbourne would we?

 

as for the inlands being to soon for ye I don't think that is right Lanarkshire fed used to race from Avaranches on the last weekend of May years going by.

 

This is only my opinion Robbie though and respect anyone else's opinion on the matter

 

atb

[JohnQuinn]

we went ourselves john down as far as Maidstone

then we altered our program to fly with the snfc

and this year with the north of Scotland fed

 

Cheers Dave, imo that is better for the Federation (so long as it doesn't run at a financial loss) and your doos' experience of that kind of distance on the wing. National racing and numbers of SNFC members is smaller by comparison to most Fed's who use them to transport pigeons. For this reason i kinda think the Tail is Wagging the dog and for That reason i think Fed's should do their own thing Inland and fly the distance races with the SNFC. I must STRESS this is JMO, in no way does it suit me to have to find 2 separate teams of doos to race on the same weekend from say 350mls to 600mls depending on the week, but i think it Fairer for Fed members to have their own racing and people like me should have to Prioritise which races to compete in and how many to send to them.

Seldom if Ever, do i take my personal circumstance into consideration when voting on these matters, i always think of the Majority of fanciers in the Fed and for what its worth i think all Fed officials should think likewise. JMO mind!!

[JADE]

I think making the first inland the yearling national would be good for the channel doos

 

graveyard for yearlings imo

[geordie1234]

graveyard for yearlings imo

Yeah good point mate............back to the drawing board lol

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Lewis , you have got to remember the nats don't end in central Scotland , people up north fly 500 in inland races, the whole country races .

 

I disagree agree with ye on this wan Danny

 

The whole country may send, but the whole country certainly doesn't race. Leicester is just a glorified fed race.

[JADE]

Because for me the SNFC is for racing across the channel but this is only my personal opinion. This maybe would be seen as a compromise and would be good to have a yearling national imo You wouldny ask the British Barcelona club to race fae Eastbourne would we?

 

as for the inlands being to soon for ye I don't think that is right Lanarkshire fed used to race from Avaranches on the last weekend of May years going by.

 

This is only my opinion Robbie though and respect anyone else's opinion on the matter

 

atb

 

Just had a look at the BBC website. First race the Carentan NATIONAL winner flying 118 miles distances range from 106 to 307 miles. It is over the channel though so it must be a NATIONAL lol

[geordie1234]

Just had a look at the BBC website. First race the Carentan NATIONAL winner flying 118 miles distances range from 106 to 307 miles. It is over the channel though so it must be a NATIONAL lol

lol yip that's the rule of thumb lol

[alec guinness]

Just had a look at the BBC website. First race the Carentan NATIONAL winner flying 118 miles distances range from 106 to 307 miles. It is over the channel though so it must be a NATIONAL lol

Said it before most of the uk classic and national clubs have a similar programme to the SNFC and see no problem with the current format,if due to demand we have to drop a race it would be the first race for me and start with the coastal race the week before the gold cup,hopefully this would appease some of the lads who blame this race for falling channel numbers later on. cater for all must be the way forward to avoid the camper van towing a trailer with a saltire on the back for the very few who go to the long WANs!!!! ;)

[geordie1234]

No matter the distance if you get a good yeen at any national it's a massive achievement

[novo10]

Said it before most of the uk classic and national clubs have a similar programme to the SNFC and see no problem with the current format,if due to demand we have to drop a race it would be the first race for me and start with the coastal race the week before the gold cup,hopefully this would appease some of the lads who blame this race for falling channel numbers later on. cater for all must be the way forward to avoid the camper van towing a trailer with a saltire on the back for the very few who go to the long WANs!!!! ;)

John you always talk about first national to blame well don't see details imo

[alec guinness]

John you always talk about first national to blame well don't see details imo

You don't read my posts often Derek,I do not want to lose any of the races! I do feel a large percentage of the membership feel the first race takes birds from the gold cup and others also feel we have too many nationals,this would be my compromise,so del me personally I would prefer STATUS QUO.

[novo10]

You don't read my posts often Derek,I do not want to lose any of the races! I do feel a large percentage of the membership feel the first race takes birds from the gold cup and others also feel we have too many nationals,this would be my compromise,so del me personally I would prefer STATUS QUO.

Ok sorry john but we prepare our doos for every national we are not bothered about club racing we won't to beat the bet

[alec guinness]

Ok sorry john but we prepare our doos for every national we are not bothered about club racing we won't to beat the bet

Yes I know you lads do,I do think something will need to give somewhere though.

[Guest bigda]

the position of the national just now it can not go it alone to the 500 miles races, unless it makes the race about £10 per bird per race, and if they do that they would fold within the next 5 years we in the lanarkshire try and have a distance race for our members, yet we still get slapped down by a few on the day of the AGM with there idea of us going with the national, we are talking hear about say 250 birds only here from the lanatkshire fed as most Nat men only send about 6 to the gold cup or rest other birds to juggle with the Nat, but are not prepared to play with 12 birds by sending 6 to the lanarkshire and 6 to the national if they did that i would think more of them

but for so few birds calling the shots it not right, the sprint guys and middle distance fliers in the fed support our own

and keep our own feds head above the water, how the national is going to survive that i have no idea, but if the minority can control the lanarkshire, i can see the minority getting there way in doing away with the inland races, and that will be the end of the Nat,and the inland races we the lanarkshire need our own races, for our survival

and it will be dog eat dog, as we want to be, last man standing having your gold cup as so short a race for some is part of your problem me thinks