Young Bird Racing In The Uk Never Mind Anywhere Else

[Guest bigda]

can you imagine what it would be like at race marking. right next squeak squeak ok. squeak squeak ok

 

no no no squeak squeak

 

 

i and can you imagine slippy jake, trying to get one by them hope you all enjoyed the first topic of the year

[Tony C]

have we now weakened our young birds, i was talking to a old timer last night he said, and his words where, when he raced his young birds they squeaked when they went in the basket for there first 3 races, nowadays they cant get them bred and on the darkness quickly enough, he states years ago they would never have been allowed to fly aged young birds

he say in the days before they where rung if the bird did not squeak when it was lifted and turned up side down, it did not race in a young bird race, maybe we should make this rule once again in fairness to all young birds racing, can you imagine young birds on the squeak at a distance of 120 mile by the third race. and the birds making good time. he also says over the years he don't here birds squeak very much after shifting, i find this strange we have allowed this to happen in young bird racing, when we call it a fair race when it aint.

 

We haven't weakened them as such............... the majority of early bred youngsters are started off being trained far to late. If peeps started to train them at 12 weeks of age there wouldn't be a problem at all.

[Guest stb-]

YOU BEEN DRINKING ?? WHAT A LOAD O GUFF

wrong again WEE KEEK :emoticon-0136-giggle:

i can asure you its not m8 before rings thats how some clubs used to prove the birds were squeakers at the first race , they then had a stamp on them which allowed them to compete for the remaining races this was to stop folk trying to sneak in yearling or latebreeds trained previous yr .

[andyyy]

In fairness, If a bird is rung in that year it's a young bird, weather it be rung in January or July. People like to breed early these day to get it out of the way and then spend time getting the birds right, Trained and stuff without having to mess about with young birds.

[BLACK W F]

Sorry Alan I don't often disagree with you :emoticon-0140-rofl: but 1 of your own club members has entered some races with birds that were still squeeking and it wasn't me.

theres been odd ones but the vast majority would not race squeakers and i certainly never put any through and i put a lot of birds through on a friday and if i come across 1 i would say so the days of late young ins going in the baskets with these far more mature young ins should be long gone i for 1 think its near cruelty as these poor wee things will get a fair old battering off these cks JMO but each to their own

[Guest Cawdy]

i think the queston should be not whats fairest but whats best for the birds.

 

 

IMO expecting a bird that is still growing and moulting to race and win is allot to ask

[Guest Owen]

Well I hope you will not get this to catch on. I love people to rare those January youngsters to race because they will be badly trained and probably chasing around after any bird in the sky. Meanwhile those of us who rear later birds and get them trained at the right time clean up.

[andyyy]

Well I hope you will not get this to catch on. I love people to rare those January youngsters to race because they will be badly trained and probably chasing around after any bird in the sky. Meanwhile those of us who rear later birds and get them trained at the right time clean up.

Club member in our club, Pairs up Feb 14th every year, he's flown a full season and he hasn't had a single card. 3 people on same gardens all pair up nice and early and have early bred ybs won all the cards between the 3 members, for the entire young bird season. It's not about when the bird was bred, It's how it's treated trained and just taught.

 

i think the queston should be not whats fairest but whats best for the birds.

 

 

IMO expecting a bird that is still growing and moulting to race and win is allot to ask

 

Thats why people put young birds on darkness, Come a few races in and darkness yb are looking well, Natural yb are just in rags and it's cruel to even try to win races with them.

[wee eck]

tO BE HONEST VINNY IF THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH THEY ARE OLD ENOUGH MATE ....I WOULD HAVE BEEN 2ND CLUB 2YRS AGO IN THE 3RD YB RACE WITH A YB THEAT WEE VINCE HAD BRED ME JUST FLUNG HER 1ST FLIGHT I HAD TRANSFERRED HER ON THE FRIDAY BUT SENT HER ONLY AS A TRAINER ON THE SATURDAY I NEVER SENT HER THE FOLLOWING WEEK AS I WAS SURE I WOULD GET HER AGAIN BUT SENT HER TO THE FED YB DUPLICATION RACE AND BARRING A YOUNG COCK FROM THE 2ND RACE LANDING NOT LONG BEFORE HER SHE WOULD HAVE MOST PROBABLY WON THE SECTION THAT DAY BAR HIM CHASING HER UP AND DOWN THER ROOF OF THE YB LOFT BUT I GOT HER IN FOR 7TH SECTION AND NUTTED HIM BUT HEY THAT'S DOO RACING!!!

is it not a possibilty that a squeaker in with a team of trained older ybs is just following the more experienced birds ? and if we had a race for only squeakers that had little or no training then we would be looking at a complete disaster.

How young would they be allowed to go ? can we send the nest bowl as well or the parents to give them a feed on the lorry :P

[walterboswell59]

i have raced sqeakers for years with good results and yes 1st lancaster jumped strait in 128 mile after 8 tosses ist and 2nd club ist and 3rd sect 4th open consett 4800 birds two nest mates north west wind 100 odd miles 9 tosses from 12 to 3o miles there first race the hen that won the section that day won 1st club 1st sect 12 th open lanarkshire fed salisbury 2012 the other thing about squekers is the wing and feathers are great and they have not learned to hit the deck when percy attacks if they have a brain they batter on but they must be able to fly round my loft for two hours a day and ranging before i put them in a basket as soon as they have been outside the loft a few days there chased up with the older yb remember there birds there born to fly swallows and other birds that dont get feeding our pigeons get migrate 3000 miles at six weeks old and just a wee bundle of feathers wee are to soft and our birds to pamperd well thats my opinion for what its worth

[eastcoaster]

Club member in our club, Pairs up Feb 14th every year, he's flown a full season and he hasn't had a single card. 3 people on same gardens all pair up nice and early and have early bred ybs won all the cards between the 3 members, for the entire young bird season. It's not about when the bird was bred, It's how it's treated trained and just taught.

 

 

 

Thats why people put young birds on darkness, Come a few races in and darkness yb are looking well, Natural yb are just in rags and it's cruel to even try to win races with them.

My yb`s get racing only as education for the future not to win a piece of card that tells me nowt , how can it be cruel when it is nature to fly even in the moult.

[andy Burgess]

i have raced sqeakers for years with good results and yes 1st lancaster jumped strait in 128 mile after 8 tosses ist and 2nd club ist and 3rd sect 4th open consett 4800 birds two nest mates north west wind 100 odd miles 9 tosses from 12 to 3o miles there first race the hen that won the section that day won 1st club 1st sect 12 th open lanarkshire fed salisbury 2012 the other thing about squekers is the wing and feathers are great and they have not learned to hit the deck when percy attacks if they have a brain they batter on but they must be able to fly round my loft for two hours a day and ranging before i put them in a basket as soon as they have been outside the loft a few days there chased up with the older yb remember there birds there born to fly swallows and other birds that dont get feeding our pigeons get migrate 3000 miles at six weeks old and just a wee bundle of feathers wee are to soft and our birds to pamperd well thats my opinion for what its worth

very good post Walter and very true .had a few old hands in my last club in Wales telling me they had birds 50 years and would not send a youngster so young as mine , geuss who was beating them . it took me a few years to realise the pigeons know more than most men , and to trust them to do the job , and they will

[geordie1234]

My yb`s get racing only as education for the future not to win a piece of card that tells me nowt , how can it be cruel when it is nature to fly even in the moult.

I'm in the same opinion as you,Canny tell me it's cruel when my pigeons don't stop flying two hours round the loft unforced right through the season all natural all bred early

[walterboswell59]

very good post Walter and very true .had a few old hands in my last club in Wales telling me they had birds 50 years and would not send a youngster so young as mine , geuss who was beating them . it took me a few years to realise the pigeons know more than most men , and to trust them to do the job , and they will

to right andy the birds tell you they are right if you know what to look for m8

[andyyy]

My yb`s get racing only as education for the future not to win a piece of card that tells me nowt , how can it be cruel when it is nature to fly even in the moult.

 

They are called racing pigeons, There to race.

Sending a birds miles away to fly when they're in moult might be nature but why do such things when there are way round it - Darkness.

[walterboswell59]

They are called racing pigeons, There to race.

Sending a birds miles away to fly when they're in moult might be nature but why do such things when there are way round it - Darkness.

ive nothing against darkness other than its not natural and the guys ive spoke to who where on it were not happy with them as yearlings and i can give them a run for there money the way i race them and have the piece of mind im not doing any damage in later life plus seems a lot of bother just to win a young bird race and i like to win as much as the next man but getting them home is the goal for me with yb if they win good and well but i dont knock anyone who does darkness all roads lead to rome

[andyyy]

ive nothing against darkness other than its not natural and the guys ive spoke to who where on it were not happy with them as yearlings and i can give them a run for there money the way i race them and have the piece of mind im not doing any damage in later life plus seems a lot of bother just to win a young bird race and i like to win as much as the next man but getting them home is the goal for me with yb if they win good and well but i dont knock anyone who does darkness all roads lead to rome

 

Well i only started a few years ago, 1st season i sent the birds was just in a mess and couldn't compeat with darkness ybs so the year after i tried it and amazing it was, Prizing from the 1st race to the last. As for not been happy with them as yearlings, My darkness young birds have gone on to score as yearlings at club at federation level from 70 - 300 miles. Really it's not no bother, Using shutters/curtains, which will be open while the old birds are out in the morning, shut when they have finished, Fits in with routine perfect

[Kyleakin Lofts]

i can never remember y/bs going in race basket squeaking think you been smoking the weed Danny pmsl

 

 

I can Alan. Heard them squeak back in the early 70's when being put in the panniers and then winning the race.

[walterboswell59]

Well i only started a few years ago, 1st season i sent the birds was just in a mess and couldn't compeat with darkness ybs so the year after i tried it and amazing it was, Prizing from the 1st race to the last. As for not been happy with them as yearlings, My darkness young birds have gone on to score as yearlings at club at federation level from 70 - 300 miles. Really it's not no bother, Using shutters/curtains, which will be open while the old birds are out in the morning, shut when they have finished, Fits in with routine perfect

every one to there own the way that works for you is allways the best m8

[ALF]

They are called racing pigeons, There to race.

Sending a birds miles away to fly when they're in moult might be nature but why do such things when there are way round it - Darkness.

plenty time for them to race personally i send my yb's as trainers and dont get a clock set in yb racing anymore i just see it as education for later in life when i hope to ghet a turn with them

[walterboswell59]

plenty time for them to race personally i send my yb's as trainers and dont get a clock set in yb racing anymore i just see it as education for later in life when i hope to ghet a turn with them

point taken alan but whats the harm in getting clock set 1st is 1st in any race if you get it and the doos dont know there no trying unless its just the hassle of taking the clock back i could neaver see the point in this

[ALF]

point taken alan but whats the harm in getting clock set 1st is 1st in any race if you get it and the doos dont know there no trying unless its just the hassle of taking the clock back i could neaver see the point in this

i get just as much pleasure seeing the yb's coming home 1st to the bing or last as long as they come back that does me i huvnae set a clock for yb's for a while now

[JohnQuinn]

In days gone by my Da widnae pair pigeons up before the 2nd weekend in March, which is VERY late these days, however when the 2nd round Yb's came through they were more or less "rushed" into training/racing with the older Yb's and would go straight into race 3 in the program. Come the later races it was invariably the 2nd round Yb's that were doing the winning, and my Da/Uncle Eddie won plenty of races at this time of the season and the Lions share of the Yb races at other times and it always seemed to be the Youngest birds that done it.

[bullcock]

In days gone by my Da widnae pair pigeons up before the 2nd weekend in March, which is VERY late these days, however when the 2nd round Yb's came through they were more or less "rushed" into training/racing with the older Yb's and would go straight into race 3 in the program. Come the later races it was invariably the 2nd round Yb's that were doing the winning, and my Da/Uncle Eddie won plenty of races at this time of the season and the Lions share of the Yb races at other times and it always seemed to be the Youngest birds that done it.

Over the last 10 years we have tried the Darkness and Early bred systems and although they do well in the early, we have found that when you take stock at the end of the season most of the birds remaining are the later bred birds, the ones that just made the team, this year we are pairing up in mid February rather than during the Xmas holidays.

[geordie1234]

The three i scored fed tickets were the ones I thought were bred too late to make the first 2 races