Rooster J. Cogburn Posted January 8, 2013 Report Posted January 8, 2013 I mentioned it earlier in thread Davie and have thought about it since. Do you think there would be a need to perhaps change the pooling or prizes if we go from three columns to two? £100 section pool? winner takes all Obviously £100 pool is on the extreme end. We've never pooled a doo right through but thinks its roughly £120?? taking out a column would obviouly remove roughly a third of this. So if Davie's idea was taken up there would maybe be a demand to add something-a new pool or nom to the Section column,not so much in the Yb race but certainly the channel ones
Delboy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 This proposal from the President has caused unrest to say the least.His interests are definately not for the majority of SNFC members and I think we should be concentrating on keeping the same section/region structure that we have got at present.Also, something should be put in place to stop this coming up again.The national needs stability after all the negative publicity it has had in the last few years.I also think the balance sheet is a real concern and is an indication of mismanagement. There is over 16k of a deficit, its unbelievable, ANOTHER 4 OR 5 YEARS LIKE THAT AND THE SNFC IS FINISHED. Im not having a go at the workers on the committee, im only saying , imo the SNFC is being run terribly and the balance sheet tells the same story.OMHO
Guest bigda Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 hope this is clear, and the both get together for the remainder of the time left
Rebus Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 This proposal from the President has caused unrest to say the least.His interests are definately not for the majority of SNFC members and I think we should be concentrating on keeping the same section/region structure that we have got at present.Also, something should be put in place to stop this coming up again.The national needs stability after all the negative publicity it has had in the last few years.I also think the balance sheet is a real concern and is an indication of mismanagement. There is over 16k of a deficit, its unbelievable, ANOTHER 4 OR 5 YEARS LIKE THAT AND THE SNFC IS FINISHED. Im not having a go at the workers on the committee, im only saying , imo the SNFC is being run terribly and the balance sheet tells the same story.OMHOTo many races Del.
Delboy Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 To many races Del. True Jock, you know as well as I that the inland races were put in place to gear up pigeons intended for the Gold Cup & Nantes.The opposite has happened, with these early races losing alot of the so called channel candidates.Now that the inland races are losing money, the sh it has hit the fan and at least one must go, imo.
lanarkshire lad Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 To many races Del.Correct ive said that for years.
Rebus Posted January 9, 2013 Report Posted January 9, 2013 True Jock, you know as well as I that the inland races were put in place to gear up pigeons intended for the Gold Cup & Nantes.The opposite has happened, with these early races losing alot of the so called channel candidates.Now that the inland races are losing money, the sh it has hit the fan and at least one must go, imo.Yes two inland races followed by 3 Channel races within 8 days, crazy.
tiger Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 davie go and look at results with glasses on before posting and beleiving myths that ayrshire are hard done buy . this is the nat results for last 3 years not many dumbarton doos won it or north lan so the sect thing being done to help the ayrshire and renfrew boys is mince i dont think they need many to help them . 2010 bovingdon 1st sect f 2nd open ardrosan 2nd sect f 8th open seamill eastbourne 1st sect f kirkintilloch reims 1st sect f irvine ypres 1st sect f 123 open johnstone bourges 1st sect f 8th open johnston clermont 1st sect f 120th open johnston yb nat 1st 2nd and 3rd sect f paisley renfrewshire 2011 marlbourgh 1st sect f 17th open irvine 2nd sect f 18th open galston eastbourne 1st sect f 254 open johnston messac 1st sect f 17thopen thornliebank2nd sect f 18th open dalry 3rd sect f 29th open ayr ypres 1st sect f 19th open jonston tours 1st sect f 56 open drumchapel clermont 1st sect f lenzie 2nd sect f patna yb nat 1st sect f largs 2012 chelt 1st sect f 35 open neilston 2nd sect f 36 open johnston maidston 1st sect f ayr alencon 1st sect f 39th open johnston ypres 1st sect f 18th open ayr 2nd sect f 19th open mossblown niort none sent clermont 1st sect f port glasgow yb nat 1st sec f largs also remember there are not many birds sent from there but there results are more than good 16 TIMES OUT OF 18 RACES GOOD GOING ANYWHERE well rab that nailed it the guys in the far west can hold there own in any race , but its the guys with most two lose that are doing the most shouting and before you start i will also vote against it only for the sake of the nat
Guest stb- Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 True Jock, you know as well as I that the inland races were put in place to gear up pigeons intended for the Gold Cup & Nantes.The opposite has happened, with these early races losing alot of the so called channel candidates.Now that the inland races are losing money, the sh it has hit the fan and at least one must go, imo.aye the inlands have become the most fashionable races it seems, bin the both of them and go back to 4 or 5 channel races with descent birdages ,get the financial side sorted and nows not the time to be tinkering with regions etc more pressing things needing adressed .
Guest bigda Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 aye the inlands have become the most fashionable races it seems, bin the both of them and go back to 4 or 5 channel races with descent birdages ,get the financial side sorted and nows not the time to be tinkering with regions etc more pressing things needing adressed . what about us , remember we have to get a hurl with your mob
lightning fast Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 aye the inlands have become the most fashionable races it seems, bin the both of them and go back to 4 or 5 channel races with descent birdages ,get the financial side sorted and nows not the time to be tinkering with regions etc more pressing things needing adressed . Mabe u should become an officall and sort it out then and see if u can make a difference .
dkj Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 aye the inlands have become the most fashionable races it seems, bin the both of them and go back to 4 or 5 channel races with descent birdages ,get the financial side sorted and nows not the time to be tinkering with regions etc more pressing things needing adressed . we been at the agm and the accountant told the members we need 2 cut out some of the races. as they are to many races losing money and what did the members do add more races.
Guest stb- Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Mabe u should become an officall and sort it out then and see if u can make a difference .have no desire to be an official of any organisation now and never would have never been a great fan of inland nats and think they should be left to feds and combines etc because the big birdage is going to the national for these races leaving poor entries for feds and combines off which some have now went defunct . Clubs and feds and combines are the starting place for new fanciers , if there are less and less starting places there is less and less moving onto fly in nats etc . People dont normally start of racing nats but if the clubs and combines go down there will be very few comming into fly at nat level . To me the 2 inland nationals have finnished of some organisations now and they wont comeback we been at the agm and the accountant told the members we need 2 cut out some of the races. as they are to many races losing money and what did the members do add more races.davie there is not the same birds around to make it sustainable now somthing got to go and i m sure the birdage for the channel races would see a boost with the inlands gone . jmo
dkj Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 have no desire to be an official of any organisation now and never would have never been a great fan of inland nats and think they should be left to feds and combines etc because the big birdage is going to the national for these races leaving poor entries for feds and combines off which some have now went defunct . Clubs and feds and combines are the starting place for new fanciers , if there are less and less starting places there is less and less moving onto fly in nats etc . People dont normally start of racing nats but if the clubs and combines go down there will be very few comming into fly at nat level . To me the 2 inland nationals have finnished of some organisations now and they wont comeback davie there is not the same birds around to make it sustainable now somthing got to go and i m sure the birdage for the channel races would see a boost with the inlands gone . jmo 1st nat and yrpes need 2 go. also longest race should be one marking station only.
VMS Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 have no desire to be an official of any organisation now and never would have never been a great fan of inland nats and think they should be left to feds and combines etc because the big birdage is going to the national for these races leaving poor entries for feds and combines off which some have now went defunct . Clubs and feds and combines are the starting place for new fanciers , if there are less and less starting places there is less and less moving onto fly in nats etc . People dont normally start of racing nats but if the clubs and combines go down there will be very few comming into fly at nat level . To me the 2 inland nationals have finnished of some organisations now and they wont comeback davie there is not the same birds around to make it sustainable now somthing got to go and i m sure the birdage for the channel races would see a boost with the inlands gone . jmo i dont think it would Rab,most fanciers that think they have a good pigeon sent it to a 500 mile race and never see it again.after that they are finished with 500 mile racing,the way to get the birdage up is for the two clubs to become one,that and only that will see an increase. :emoticon-0167-beer:
dkj Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 naw get rid of second inland race that the one were we take all the feds so keeping that makes sense. the 1st nat other feds have races same day so it makes sense 2 drop that one
Delboy Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Think the Maidstone national should stay but be made a yearling national, then you are not interfering with birdage for the Gold cup. The problem we have got with doing away with the inland nats is , if we did this , folk would go to the SNRPC for there inland races!!!
dkj Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Think the Maidstone national should stay but be made a yearling national, then you are not interfering with birdage for the Gold cup. that fine if everybody wants 2 go 2 the gold cup. but u no as well as me there are lots of men keep. most of there pigons for the coast race because most of fed average.s stop there. and there no there doo.s wont fly 550ml.
Guest stb- Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 that fine if everybody wants 2 go 2 the gold cup. but u no as well as me there are lots of men keep. most of there pigons for the coast race because most of fed average.s stop there. and there no there doo.s wont fly 550ml.thats why i think they should be left to the combines or the inlands
Henrik Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 thats why i think they should be left to the combines or the inlands Maidstone race is the week before the Gold Cup and therefore would not have a big impact on the birdage I dont think, and also if we do away with this race and the chance for the Feds to cut cost by ferrying with us then they may well go with the other crowd, as it is now too expensive for Feds to go it alone to the Coast. I would do away with the first Inland race tho. Also Ypres needs to stay as it is the only water race that is showing an increase every year. JMO
Guest bigda Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 1st nat and yrpes need 2 go. also longest race should be one marking station only. ok then, the marking station is at gretna hows that,
Guest stb- Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Maidstone race is the week before the Gold Cup and therefore would not have a big impact on the birdage I dont think, and also if we do away with this race and the chance for the Feds to cut cost by ferrying with us then they may well go with the other crowd, as it is now too expensive for Feds to go it alone to the Coast. I would do away with the first Inland race tho. Also Ypres needs to stay as it is the only water race that is showing an increase every year. JMOwe used to have great combine races from the coast and also one 500 mile plus race but since the start of the inland nats the entries have plumited and the combine no longer exists. like delboy said maidston could be a yearling only race , as the yearlings were sent to the coast with the combines . Another thing about the combine coast races was the birds got the distance to the coast but most birds were coming into the same geographical location which was good experience and not being dragged all over the country .
VMS Posted January 10, 2013 Report Posted January 10, 2013 Its a shortage of fanciers that are capable of flying races of 500 miles and beyond which is the problem nothing to do with inland races.
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