Kirkpatricks

[peter pandy]

Dal2,

I stopped pairing birds together about 1970 when I realised I was hopeless at it and started getting winners when I left them to it to pick their own mates. "LOVE PAIRINGS"

Now my experience has proved that the first pair of eggs from a yearling hen will produce the best pigeons. I am sure we have all had an excptional bird and on looking up its parents find we have lost it early racing.

I do not have a great deal of faith in stock birds nor the bull system. When the late Brian Long wished me to be his loft manager we discussed the programme of artificial insemination which I felt was a little bit over the top however the Mrs was more interested in going elsewhere so I declined his offer with regret as I would have found it interesting racing 100 y/birds from the same sire.

Best bird I ever raced was from the 5th nest from a pair and all its brothers and sisters were duffers, in fact I reared for years and never had another good un from that pair so are good birds the exception to the rule.

[walterbmasson]

Surely ye are contradicting yourself here Walter? You are telling these lads not to breed from unproven doos then telling them that ye can breed from a proven family!!!!

 

Its either one camp or the other?? Owen likes to breed from his winners, but you know as well as me that will not always work? true? Fair play cos he says he is at the top of his game! His bloodline is working is it not? BUT WHERE DOES THE NEW MAN COME IN???? the man that has no winners to breed from??? where does he put his trust?? does hr rely on freebies or does he buy from a stud?? does he buy from winning fanciers???? this is a minefield is it not? do you trust that the fanciers you are buying from has the same breeding ideas as yourself? ie winner to winner??

Steven , i am certainly na contradicting ma sel , i will tell ye a story bit dina tell ony body ive never seen a pedigree win a national theres some good fanciers on here steve that must be saying how this is allowed on a site selling bits o paper,

[billt]

Steven , i am certainly na contradicting ma sel , i will tell ye a story bit dina tell ony body ive never seen a pedigree win a national theres some good fanciers on here steve that must be saying how this is allowed on a site selling bits o paper,

 

Walter, A pedigree wins every race, it's a written history of the breeding whether someone can be bothered to write it down or not is another thing but it is set in stone, I like to see written pedigrees that show several generations of winners or producers of winners, beats gifts from several mates hands down

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

John Kirkpatrick

 

The famous John Kirkpatrick of Annan made his first appearance on the SNFC results in 1924 when he was 32nd open Rennes. Before he actually won the Rennes race in 1937 with his winner Coronation Express. He went on to put together an impressive run of results in the intervening 13 years. In this spell he gained 2 x 3rd, 4th, 2 x 5th, 9th, 11th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 22nd from Rennes and from Nantes he won 7th, 21st 39th 40th and 42nd open. He had a red hen that won 5th open in 1931 and in 1933 was again 5th open Rennes. In 1952 John Kirkpatrick was slowly dying from a terminal illness first detected 3 years earlier. He was 1st and 2nd open SNFC Nantes with two red cocks ‘Galabank Prince’ and ‘Galabank Duke’. In 1953 John Kirkpatrick died and his birds were sold by auction in Manchester in December 1954 and were dispersed across the country. In subsequent years many classic winners were reported from their progeny from all corners of the United Kingdom. In 1963 the husband and wife partnership of Mr & Mrs Lou Horsburgh of Ecclefechan won 1st open Rennes with their great hen Fechan Lass who was 2nd open the following year.

 

Jim Sanderson 2 x 1st Open Nantes

 

Jim Sanderson of Pathhead also won the double as he had the winner in 1981 and then the following year he won 1st open Nantes again. Jim Sanderson based his team of pigeons on the best of the Kirkpatrick blood. In 1976 Jim received some eggs from his friend Bobby Carruthers of Bonnyrigg and these formed the foundation stock. Bobby Carruthers won 1st open SNFC Sartilly in 1989 and has continued to figure highly on SNFC results for more years than I care to remember. Jim Sanderson had a great cock named ‘Scalpy’ that quickly established its reputation as a wonderful stock cock. In 1979 he won 15th open Nantes and the following year was 7th open from the same race point. He timed in a 5 year old red chequer hen to win 1st open Nantes in 1981. Not content with this Jim repeated this great performance when he again won 1st open Nantes with another red hen in 1982. This was hailed as a tremendous accomplishment against the cream of Scotland’s long distance lofts.

[walterbmasson]

Walter, A pedigree wins every race, it's a written history of the breeding whether someone can be bothered to write it down or not is another thing but it is set in stone, I like to see written pedigrees that show several generations o winners or producers of winners, beats gifts from several mates hands down

billt theres none that i have purchased the back o the fire ,all to there ain bit the gifts that ive been given regarding the doos from george ritchie has given me all my joy thrills clocking in distance races i was lucky my pal was a master and was lucky to be a mate , but he helped a lot of fanciers in our fed and aberdeen fed always giving a helping hand and fanciers on here are still putting up great performances every year since he passed away but billt he was one of a kind ?

[billt]

billt theres none that i have purchased the back o the fire ,all to there ain bit the gifts that ive been given regarding the doos from george ritchie has given me all my joy thrills clocking in distance races i was lucky my pal was a master and was lucky to be a mate , but he helped a lot of fanciers in our fed and aberdeen fed always giving a helping hand and fanciers on here are still putting up great performances every year since he passed away but billt he was one of a kind ?

 

As you say Walter, a good guy and there's not many of them around

[peter pandy]

John Robertson flew from Jedburgh and was written about by I believe Mr Wortley the BHW scribe many moons ago. If my memory serves me John helped out in some capacity at Mr Kirkpatrick's loft and was presented prior to Mr Kirkpatrick's death a goodly number of pigeons to establish his loft in Jedburgh where he intended to settle with his wife who was related to John Kirkpatrick through a ballop connection. I may be wrong in this statement but it was many years ago.

I first met John Robertson at the Edinburgh Show which was held in Waverly Railway station in those bygone days when I purchased at auction his offer. He kindly invited me to Jedburgh to view his birds which I did and came away with 6 youngsters free as that was the kind of man he was.

With pure John Kirkpatrick's in 1970 he was 1st SNFC Nantes with MAN FRIDAY, in 1972 he was 1st SNFC Nantes with DOUBLE TOP, both were sold to Louis Massarella for an undisclosed sum but I can tell you the deal was young birds in return as they were the heritage of the Kirkpatrick story.

When I read of comparisons of fanciers in the past compared to present day fanciers it brings to mind that those in our memories are were far far superior as to what some think are better now. If it was not for John Kirkpatrick 90% of the fanciers in the borders would have struggled to obtain good birds and like the Jamiesons, Hallidays, Dalgliesh's etc the borders are still a gold mine for Johnny Kirkpatrick's.

[kraftykev]

i still keep pure Kirkpatricks. I house GB04Z83592 grizzle cock and GB04Z80730 grizzle hen both gggrand son / dtr of Champion Stranrar simon 1st scottish national rennes and kings cup. Also house gb00t66933 g grandson son of champion cornish supreme 1st open WECA Luxumburg bred by the late A Hill paired to Champion fechan lass 1st and 3rd open SNFC Rennes.

 

I also house kirkpatricks that still have John Kirkpatricks ring numbers on their 4 generation pedigree

[andy Burgess]

i still keep pure Kirkpatricks. I house GB04Z83592 grizzle cock and GB04Z80730 grizzle hen both gggrand son / dtr of Champion Stranrar simon 1st scottish national rennes and kings cup. Also house gb00t66933 g grandson son of champion cornish supreme 1st open WECA Luxumburg bred by the late A Hill paired to Champion fechan lass 1st and 3rd open SNFC Rennes.

 

I also house kirkpatricks that still have John Kirkpatricks ring numbers on their 4 generation pedigree

and still doing well i hope

[walterboswell59]

Owen makes a very valid point, you can take any professional sport that rely on animals and birds and the principle of breeding champions are the same. Its only the pigeon world that continue to breed fom birds that have never won a race, i used to do it and every year you would end up with the same results, its only when i took owens advice of not breeding from birds that have never won anything was i able to move forward. Crap will always breed crap.

You must only breed from the best you have and move forward the best you can. Granted not everyone has winners, but you have to start somewhere. My belief and i stick to it is the reason for a lot of losses each year is we are breeding from rubbish. The moment you stop doing it the more you find you loose less.

 

The problem with some people are that they are good pigeon racers but dont have a clue when it comes to breeding, its not as simpe as just putting two birds together and they will produce winners its not that simple. If it was everyone would be champions.

 

 

Jas

jas it can work the other way also guys that have and breed good pigeons but dont have a clue how to to feed condition motavate and race them

[BLACK W F]

billt theres none that i have purchased the back o the fire ,all to there ain bit the gifts that ive been given regarding the doos from george ritchie has given me all my joy thrills clocking in distance races i was lucky my pal was a master and was lucky to be a mate , but he helped a lot of fanciers in our fed and aberdeen fed always giving a helping hand and fanciers on here are still putting up great performances every year since he passed away but billt he was one of a kind ?

walter as you know George Ritchie was one of a kind he was a terrific fancier not only racing but breeding wise he is held in very high esteenm in the North and all across the uk his knowledge was secound to none i did not know him very well but any time i spoke to him i found him one of the nicest guys yer could ever meet not 6 wks ago a top national flyer in Aberdeen said to me he was 1 of the best fanciers he ever new wonder what he could have achieved if had not been for his poor health

[dannyj1979]

hi i do have a grizzle kirkpatrick x jan arden hen im breeding with now

[dannyj1979]

and this is the hen

[eastcoaster]

John Kirkpatrick

 

The famous John Kirkpatrick of Annan made his first appearance on the SNFC results in 1924 when he was 32nd open Rennes. Before he actually won the Rennes race in 1937 with his winner Coronation Express. He went on to put together an impressive run of results in the intervening 13 years. In this spell he gained 2 x 3rd, 4th, 2 x 5th, 9th, 11th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 22nd from Rennes and from Nantes he won 7th, 21st 39th 40th and 42nd open. He had a red hen that won 5th open in 1931 and in 1933 was again 5th open Rennes. In 1952 John Kirkpatrick was slowly dying from a terminal illness first detected 3 years earlier. He was 1st and 2nd open SNFC Nantes with two red cocks ‘Galabank Prince’ and ‘Galabank Duke’. In 1953 John Kirkpatrick died and his birds were sold by auction in Manchester in December 1954 and were dispersed across the country. In subsequent years many classic winners were reported from their progeny from all corners of the United Kingdom. In 1963 the husband and wife partnership of Mr & Mrs Lou Horsburgh of Ecclefechan won 1st open Rennes with their great hen Fechan Lass who was 2nd open the following year.

 

Jim Sanderson 2 x 1st Open Nantes

 

Jim Sanderson of Pathhead also won the double as he had the winner in 1981 and then the following year he won 1st open Nantes again. Jim Sanderson based his team of pigeons on the best of the Kirkpatrick blood. In 1976 Jim received some eggs from his friend Bobby Carruthers of Bonnyrigg and these formed the foundation stock. Bobby Carruthers won 1st open SNFC Sartilly in 1989 and has continued to figure highly on SNFC results for more years than I care to remember. Jim Sanderson had a great cock named ‘Scalpy’ that quickly established its reputation as a wonderful stock cock. In 1979 he won 15th open Nantes and the following year was 7th open from the same race point. He timed in a 5 year old red chequer hen to win 1st open Nantes in 1981. Not content with this Jim repeated this great performance when he again won 1st open Nantes with another red hen in 1982. This was hailed as a tremendous accomplishment against the cream of Scotland’s long distance lofts.

Keep it coming I love all this nostalgia, by the way I handled both of jims birds along with many others , my brother flew in same club.

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

Keep it coming I love all this nostalgia, by the way I handled both of jims birds along with many others , my brother flew in same club.

 

Was nice to see him in the paper this week, still performing at the distance after all these years

 

I only have around three articles he wrote, but I read them every year-brilliant stuff.

 

One from 1982 and 1983, where he talked about his management and breeding ideas. Another from the early 90s I think where he compared managing a team of pigeon to running a successful farm.

[Guest maricelbill]

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[budgie]

Did John Kirkpatricks have Kirkpatricks.???