What Are Your

[JohnQuinn]

When the late Great Andrew Deans was with us i asked him why, when he was regarded as one of the VERY top fanciers in Scotland, he didn't sell pigeons.

 

He replied, if i breed 50 Yb's a year, by the time training and racing was finished he might have say 30 left. By the time he raced them out to the coast and an occasional channel race as Yearlings he MIGHT have 12 to 15 left. By the time it comes to the end of their 2yr old season he might have 8/9/10 left from the original 50 bred. IF and he emphasised IF 3 or 4 of them scored from the Channel he had a good breeding season that year.

 

BUT!! When he sold ( earlier in his time) 4 pigeons to Joe Bloggs, Joe Bloggs expected they 4 to transform their fortune and results, which was less than Logical, to say the Least. That was why he stopped selling pigeons.

 

My Question is this, WHAT ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS from this years crop of Yb's????

[Guest stb-]

well the way its going now i would exspect litterally 80% of them to be killed or struck bye bop and very few make the 2 yr stage any more

 

the amount of birds returning from training or racing with wing tails and ripps on them is absolutly disgusting

[geordie1234]

I got told this very same thing Deans said and I believe it so my aim would be in two years to get 2,3 or 4 from the channel but what actually happens is another story lol

[JohnQuinn]

well the way its going now i would exspect litterally 80% of them to be killed or struck bye bop and very few make the 2 yr stage any more

 

the amount of birds returning from training or racing with wing tails and ripps on them is absolutly disgusting

 

The theme of the statement was, it disnae matter when or how ye lost them it was purely a numbers thing Rab. But i see where you're coming from.

[W.D.]

When the late Great Andrew Deans was with us i asked him why, when he was regarded as one of the VERY top fanciers in Scotland, he didn't sell pigeons.

 

He replied, if i breed 50 Yb's a year, by the time training and racing was finished he might have say 30 left. By the time he raced them out to the coast and an occasional channel race as Yearlings he MIGHT have 12 to 15 left. By the time it comes to the end of their 2yr old season he might have 8/9/10 left from the original 50 bred. IF and he emphasised IF 3 or 4 of them scored from the Channel he had a good breeding season that year.

 

BUT!! When he sold ( earlier in his time) 4 pigeons to Joe Bloggs, Joe Bloggs expected they 4 to transform their fortune and results, which was less than Logical, to say the Least. That was why he stopped selling pigeons.

 

My Question is this, WHAT ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS from this years crop of Yb's????

Good Question John,

Willy Clerbaut when talking about the same thing replied, ''If I breed 100 y/b I'll get one Crack pigeon and 5 or 6 good pigeons, and thats a good years breeding?!!

And thats from a man that was 5 times middle distance champion o Belgium.

[Poppy Loft]

My first season back for 15 years. I had a team of 31, got 26 left, if I could end up with 14 or 16 after racing it would give me half a chance of building a team for the future. Enjoying having them back in my life so much!

[Guest stb-]

The theme of the statement was, it disnae matter when or how ye lost them it was purely a numbers thing Rab. But i see where you're coming from.

i understand what your saying John were just loosing them in a different way now , the unfortunate problem is percie aint fussed if its your best racer or not , in andras time and even my own time over the years you are only left with what can hack it , now the ones that can hack it are being eliminated bye bop , an examle one of my best cocks went missing 3 weeks back , he cameback a few days ago one side of his rump and tail were out and had grown back a few inches

the day he came back he had a fresh attak on the opposite side with fresh blood and feathers ripped out , thats twice the same birds been hit in as few weeks , there must loads of bop now and its deffo a numbers game now due to forces outwith our control , i have 10 birds injured with bop at the moment thats criminal

[W.D.]

My first season back for 15 years. I had a team of 31, got 26 left, if I could end up with 14 or 16 after racing it would give me half a chance of building a team for the future. Enjoying having them back in my life so much!

Enjoying having them back in my life so much!

What better explanation than that could you ask for? Good Luck and keep on enjoying, Happy Days

[just ask me]

i understand what your saying John were just loosing them in a different way now , the unfortunate problem is percie aint fussed if its your best racer or not , in andras time and even my own time over the years you are only left with what can hack it , now the ones that can hack it are being eliminated bye bop , an examle one of my best cocks went missing 3 weeks back , he cameback a few days ago one side of his rump and tail were out and had grown back a few inches

the day he came back he had a fresh attak on the opposite side with fresh blood and feathers ripped out , thats twice the same birds been hit in as few weeks , there must loads of bop now and its deffo a numbers game now due to forces outwith our control , i have 10 birds injured with bop at the moment thats criminal

 

 

going off topic slightly i think very few of the birds that are hit by bop and survive ever really go onto race proper again i think most are more worried about a bop attack then getting home quickly and may put miles on themselves to avoid certain areas that another problem i believe even with the ones that do survive

[Guest stb-]

going off topic slightly i think very few of the birds that are hit by bop and survive ever really go onto race proper again i think most are more worried about a bop attack then getting home quickly and may put miles on themselves to avoid certain areas that another problem i believe even with the ones that do survive

i would say yes most will go to ground at first sighn of percie but there will be very few birds nowadays that havnt exsperienced a percy attak on there batch ,, you always get exceptions in every thing though

[scott mca]

Have given them all away am thinking of calling it a day not made my mind up as yet 100%

[daviedoo22]

IN LESS THAN 5 YEARS PIGEON RACING IN SCOTLAND WILL BE FINNISHED !! IN FACT I THINK ITS FINISHED NOW

ITS NOT A RACE ANYMORE ITS AN ENDURANCE EXERSISE !!IMO.

[tiger]

Have given them all away am thinking of calling it a day not made my mind up as yet 100%

stick with it mate

[peter pandy]

I have always worked on the 1/3 expectation. ie, Breed 60 young birds left with 20. 20 yearlings left with 7. 7 two year olds left with 5.

5 three year olds left with 3. 3 four year olds left with 1...

[JohnQuinn]

I have always worked on the 1/3 expectation. ie, Breed 60 young birds left with 20. 20 yearlings left with 7. 7 two year olds left with 5.

5 three year olds left with 3. 3 four year olds left with 1...

 

That's probably Very accurate numbers for a lot of lofts just now. Some birds without a win to their name too, but what can you do if there aren't any others at that age in your loft, we just keep them in HOPE rather than expectation though.

[dal2]

That's probably Very accurate numbers for a lot of lofts just now. Some birds without a win to their name too, but what can you do if there aren't any others at that age in your loft, we just keep them in HOPE rather than expectation though.

Do you think that a bird that is a 3yr old will not win as a 4yr old? I think if that doo is still racin tae yer loft at that age then it has something that you huvnae figured out yet like the correct motivation or just slow maturing?

[andy]

With my inland/federation team, I USED to work on the stats that if any cock at the end of the yearling stage hasn't scored twice in the First Ten of the federation then its moved on. One or both positions can be as a youngster, however in this case they go to the coast as yearlings and maybe even Ypres. This gives a good guide to the racing qualities of the team rather than large numbers. With the Bop scenario nowadays this is becoming harder to achieve.

[Tony C]

John, I've pondered on your question since you posted it yesterday and am finding it impossible to give an answer. What one expects and what one gets can be and often are miles apart. I guess what I'm trying to say is there's no guarantees in this game.

[yeboah]

Expectations,To get 4 out of 70 bred each year to the 4yo stage naw your right i am dreaming nowadays they are but a passing aqaintance ,if you get a topper stick it in a glass cabinet as every time you send its chances of returning become slimmer .

[Guest stb-]

John, I've pondered on your question since you posted it yesterday and am finding it impossible to give an answer. What one expects and what one gets can be and often are miles apart. I guess what I'm trying to say is there's no guarantees in this game.

to many influences out with our own control now , its a bit like russian roulette now , is it our turn to get wasted ?

[Rooster J. Cogburn]

I always like reading over the Andrew Deans stuff in the old Scotlands own books.

 

He raises a lot of good points when it comes to building a team of doos to score from the long distance races.

 

Liked what he said on what actually constitutes a "good" pigeon.He says he doesnae really rate pigeons that have scored once(even top open positions)too highly.That the fancier has sent the pigeon in great condition and it may have just got into the right batch on the day.Once they have scored two or three times he starts to take note.

 

Again this getting doos to score multiple times fi across the channel is getting a lot harder nowadays with some of the eratic inland racing alone.

 

Theres boys still manage though

[Guest TAMMY_1]

just hoping to have a decent amount left out of 34 we have bred that will have raced through and then take it to the yearling stage next year and take it from there as I think they way things are there is not much point in making any long term plans for any bird nowadays [unless you keep it in the loft]