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[walterbmasson]

CHAD 3646 THATS EXATELY RIGT THE AMOUNT OF TIMES AT HASTINGS 484 MILES WE GET BIRDS INTO ABOUT 10PM JUST BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO KEEP GOING AND THERE HOME I DONT KNOW WHERE ABOUTS YOUR LOFT IS BUT I RECON EDINBURGH AREA BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU IF A BIRD IS IN ANNAN AT 7PM THERES NO BIRDS BEING TIMED IN THE NORTH HAVING TO FLY 180+MILES TO GO NO MATTER WHAT WIND DIRECTION IT IS AND CHAD YOU SAY YOU DONT GET THEM TILL 8AM NEXT MORNING AND THERE AT ANNAN AT 8PM THE BIRDS ARE GETTING TIRED THATS COMING UP TO 500MILES THE NEXT DAY IS THE BIRD ABLE TO RISE RIGHT AWAY ( NOW CHAD MID -DAY LIB YOU WILL SEE THAT THE ANNAN BIRDS WITH A NORTH WIND WINDA BE SO EAGER TO RISE AND WOULD BE RACING TO NO BENIFITS OF GANING EXTRA TIME THAT THAT BIRDS HAVE HAD TO GO DOWN WITH DARKNESS ( NOW CHAD BACK TO RUBBING SALT INTO THE WOUNDS LAST YEAR PLEASE READ THE S N F C RACE REPORTS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME PERFECT CONDITIONS RULE 23 SAYS BIRDS TO BE LIBED 4-30 AM TO 11PM BUT THEY DIDNT EVEN PHONE TILL 5-15AM WITH BIRDS IN CONVOY HAVING TO FLY 650MILES ) AND AGAIN CHAD OUR FED HRS OF DARK NESS IS 4-45AM TO 10-45 PM WHICH WAS ALSO THE SHU RULES AND YES THE S N F C CHANGED THIS 90YEAR OLD RULE FORWARD TO 4-30 AM TO 11PM ABSOLUTLY DISGUSTING (RUBBING SALT INTO THE WOUNDS AND YOU SAY YOU NDONT KNOW WHAT I AM GETTING AT AT AT WELL I CERTAINLY DO WALTERBMASSON TELLING IT AS IT IS WITH OOT THE FLAG

[Chris Little]

could you tell me why they moved the rennes race as they can still race from rennes

 

 

the reason io am asking this is people used to ask me why did they change it

 

isaid to them i dont know. icould not give them an explenation can you

 

Nothing wrong with Rennes mate, the Gold Cup race has lost it's value since they left this magical racepoint.

 

About time they were back there

[Fair Play]

Got to agree with Chris the Aura and magic of that place called Rennes I can remember my mother and grandfather telling me how the whole family sat outside waiting for the first sign of a bird or my uncles up scouring the skies first thing in the morning for me Rennes will still be that magical place to race pigeons from.Would you change the Derby from Epsom to Newcastle? don't think so

[walterbmasson]

When you are training yir birds for these type owe races, do you get to the training point and see mist and let them go, a dont think so, so why should they be let go over the channel when there is mist.

 

A lot owe guys doo put a bit owe training into these birds, and to waste them like that is just ridiculous.

 

I would rather that the birds doo get catered for due to bad weather conditions.

DOUGIE why is this channel mist always come into this prospect do yo you honestly believe this mist exists in channel i can tell you theres no more mist than there is in the forth see how it disperses when the sun comes ooooooooot no difference you mention letting birds go in a toss you must be kidding let them go wont loose a doo and learn them a lot when they come up against any bad weather i cant believe your clsssing a bl--dy toss with a NATIONAL IF THE SUN IS ON BASKETS LET THE BIRDS GO ---- IN THE GRAND NATIONAL DID YOU EVER SEE TRAINERS SAY RED RUM SHOULD RUN AN EXTRA 2 FURLONGS AFTER THE REST HAS STARTED SANTA CLAUSE DOUGIE

 

[clockman]

SNFC Rule 23 is hours of darkness ob races 11.00pm - 4.30am (Clermont 10.30pm - 5.00am, Nothing to do with the lib time .shu rule 22.In races of two days or more “Hours of darkness†to be determined by the organisation concerned.

[frank-123]

Let ALL the birds go as early as possible mist or no mist on the channel the race site do's not know this that way every bird has the same chance be it 500 or 600 miles canny keep caterin' for the shortist fliers.

 

cant believe you posted that mate it is imperative they clear the channel and get into the uk

if they let my birds go in mist or early in the race the first thing i would do is resign from the club

[Guest bigda]

DANNY i couldent have said it any better nail on the head --- what i have noticed looking through the posts regarding the SNFC overseas nationals is that every post on here they all want as easy a race as possible last year i posted for a national race from oslo in norway a very tough race but every fancier on a level footing some of the replys that was given to this post 290 miles of water --- ludicrous etc then GARETH RANKIN CAME AWAY WITH --- hamburg --- DOG LEG ALLY BRILLENT ------ ANOTHER CAME AWAY WITH 25FEET HAWKS --- BUT DID ANY ONE SIT DOWN AND LOOK AT ALL DISTANCES FOR THIS RACE POINT EVERY FANCIER HAS THE CHANCE OF WINNING THIS RACE AND FLYING ALMOST THE SAME DISTANCES but it was to tought a race before its even been tried ( BUT AFTER ALL ITS A NATIONAL EVENT OF DISTANCE RACING AND THE PIGEON THAT WON THIS RACE WOULD BE A TRUE CHAMPION ) DANNY ALL national events should have a certain amount of diffulicty in there way but as you can see most want as easy races as possible lofts crammed with crap when they know if theres any bad conditions in a race there never heard of again some mentioned LERWICK WELL THAT IS A STRANGE ONE FOR THE NORTH BOYS LIB AT 5AM TIMING AT 7-30AM I DONT THINK THAT ONE WILL GO ANY WHERE BUT FOR THE GOLD CUP IT MUST BE OSLO ====== 1997 RENNES 1997 SNFC NATIONAL 3,269 BIRDS ONLY 21 IN RACE TIME AND I CAN TELL YOU THERES BEEN SOME CRACKERS OF DISASTERS SINCE I STARTED IN NATIONAL RACING --- A CHANGE OF LINE OF FLIGHT WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE TO RETURNS AS THE BOP KNOW WHERE THE FOOD CHAIN IS --- ITS US THAT ARE THE PLONKERS TO KEEP FEEDING OUR BIRDS TO THEM I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT WHAT DO YOU THINK DANNY MATE

yes totally agree Walter once again you have total grasped the nettle, as others are scared to do, in case there birds are not up to the mark, its distance racing is the name of the game. yes as you can all see Oslo is a excellent race point a great test of endurance, and not so much on the millage, but as Walter has pointed out that every fancier has a chance to win the race there is no more than 50 mile separate the whole convoy in such a race and should any on be afraid of that then why the "hell "are you entering a national race in the first place

as this can be catered for from fed races , again Walter you have called a few out on here hope to hear more of your wisdom, bigda as is mist in the channel i hear, but the birds are 3 hours away before they hit it making it 7-30 8-30 am when they approach it bigda as is,

[cemetary]

DOUGIE why is this channel mist always come into this prospect do yo you honestly believe this mist exists in channel i can tell you theres no more mist than there is in the forth see how it disperses when the sun comes ooooooooot no difference you mention letting birds go in a toss you must be kidding let them go wont loose a doo and learn them a lot when they come up against any bad weather i cant believe your clsssing a bl--dy toss with a NATIONAL IF THE SUN IS ON BASKETS LET THE BIRDS GO ---- IN THE GRAND NATIONAL DID YOU EVER SEE TRAINERS SAY RED RUM SHOULD RUN AN EXTRA 2 FURLONGS AFTER THE REST HAS STARTED SANTA CLAUSE DOUGIE

 

Walter,

 

My comments to the post is, i for one wouldnt be very happy if the doos that i sent to the channel were liberated in mist, spending all that time and effort, so you must be a man of letting the birds go in the mist then, cause for me its a no brainer, and there is plenty would agree on this. There has been very thick fog over at training points, and not clearing, and the sun has been out, didnt burn it of quick enough for a release, and thats only a short distance

 

Am no classing any toss with a national race, certainley not, so looks like you have the wrong end owe the stick mate, maybe you wont to read it again, i was stateing my point.

 

As for not looseing a doo in this type of weather, it was proved last year when a guy just about wiped out some guys due to him letting birds up in the fog,

[walterbmasson]

Walter,

 

My comments to the post is, i for one wouldnt be very happy if the doos that i sent to the channel were liberated in mist, spending all that time and effort, so you must be a man of letting the birds go in the mist then, cause for me its a no brainer, and there is plenty would agree on this. There has been very thick fog over at training points, and not clearing, and the sun has been out, didnt burn it of quick enough for a release, and thats only a short distance

 

Am no classing any toss with a national race, certainley not, so looks like you have the wrong end owe the stick mate, maybe you wont to read it again, i was stateing my point.

 

As for not looseing a doo in this type of weather, it was proved last year when a guy just about wiped out some guys due to him letting birds up in the fog,

dougie if old birds are lost in a we bit of fog there no bl--dy good i think you will find with every fancier on this sites have had there birds coming home in thick fog scratching there heads wondering why did they manage to come through that ( NOW DOUGIE HOW MANY TIMES HAVE THE CONTROLLERS LET THE BIRDS GO GO GO KNOWING THAT THERE WASENT A GOSTER IN GETTING A BIRD UP TO THE NORTH SEC NOT A WE BIT OF FOG THE WHOLE FLAMING LOT BLOOTERING DOON FOR A COUPLE O DAYS BUT NO CONCIDERATION REGARDING THE WEATHER WHEN RELEASING THE BIRDS AS LONG AS THE DOOS COULD GET IN STRIKING DISTANCE O THE BORDERS BUT WE JUST TAKE IT ON THE CHIN (BUT DOUGIE THIS POST IS WRITTEN BY THE SNFC OFFICIALS READ THERE REPORT FOR 2010 OVERSEAS NATIONAL NO NO NO NO MIST PERFECT CONDITIONS AND NOT EVEN PHONING TILL 5-15 AM WITH BIRDS IN THE SAME RACE HAVING TO FLY 650MILES RUBBING SALT INTO THE WOUNDS (PS JUST TO MAKE SURE YOUVE GOT IT NO MIST IN CHANNEL)

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[Daisymay]

When you are training yir birds for these type owe races, do you get to the training point and see mist and let them go, a dont think so, so why should they be let go over the channel when there is mist.

 

A lot owe guys doo put a bit owe training into these birds, and to waste them like that is just ridiculous.

 

I would rather that the birds doo get catered for due to bad weather conditions.

 

The statement was might be mist on the coastif they don't know ,find oot ,if not let the birds go,if there is hold on to them.That extra hour makes all the difference to birds flyin' 600 mls that all i'm sayin',

[Guest IB]

Nothing wrong with Rennes mate, the Gold Cup race has lost it's value since they left this magical racepoint.

 

About time they were back there

 

I didn't have pigeons when the racepoint was changed away from Rennes, so I do not know why it was dropped back then.

 

But an SNFC AGM within the last 2/3 years considered going back there and decided against it. There were 2 reasons - 1) statistically, the more easterly racepoints gave all Sections a better chance of being in the top 10 positions. 2) from the French port, the drive to longest racepoints is 1 to 2 hours, against a drive of 8 hours to Rennes. So birds have a shorter road journey and arrive in better condition.

[Guest bigda]

I didn't have pigeons when the racepoint was changed away from Rennes, so I do not know why it was dropped back then.

 

But an SNFC AGM within the last 2/3 years considered going back there and decided against it. There were 2 reasons - 1) statistically, the more easterly racepoints gave all Sections a better chance of being in the top 10 positions. 2) from the French port, the drive to longest racepoints is 1 to 2 hours, against a drive of 8 hours to Rennes. So birds have a shorter road journey and arrive in better condition.

 

thats all well and great, then the rot starts to set in.

with lets not cross the chanel as its to dear, then the next cry, lets not cross the border, go now when you have the members to go

i am sure in the 1900s the cost would have not being much more then, to send as it is in to days value

[Chris Little]

I didn't have pigeons when the racepoint was changed away from Rennes, so I do not know why it was dropped back then.

 

But an SNFC AGM within the last 2/3 years considered going back there and decided against it. There were 2 reasons - 1) statistically, the more easterly racepoints gave all Sections a better chance of being in the top 10 positions. 2) from the French port, the drive to longest racepoints is 1 to 2 hours, against a drive of 8 hours to Rennes. So birds have a shorter road journey and arrive in better condition.

 

Thanks for the info regarding the reasons of rejecting Rennes by the SNFC membership.

 

The first one beggars beyond belief, Easterly racepoints only suit one part of the country, take a peek at the 2010 Ypres result and this will prove this .

 

The second one about distance travelled by the transporter in France prompted a 5 minute nose on Google maps.

Calais to Liege - 185 miles

Calais to Reims - 168 miles

Calais to Rennes - 330 miles

 

Hardly a difference of 6 hours extra travelling to Rennes.

 

Of course St Malo which is a port connected by a ferry from Portsmouth is possible.

St Malo to Rennes - 43 miles

 

Yes only 43 miles by road from the ferry port to Rennes, hardly an hour on the road.

[knoxjn]

the origional rennes racepoint ws deemed unsuitable a few years back due to fences i think there is a new one now maybe time to investigate this also you have to be awre off the pressure on the liberation set up to get it right to liberate too early without proper checks is madness you cannot go on forecasts from the night before to understand whats required get involved with the libs in your fed loads of monday morning quarter backs

[dal2]

Thanks for the info regarding the reasons of rejecting Rennes by the SNFC membership.

 

The first one beggars beyond belief, Easterly racepoints only suit one part of the country, take a peek at the 2010 Ypres result and this will prove this .

 

The second one about distance travelled by the transporter in France prompted a 5 minute nose on Google maps.

Calais to Liege - 185 miles

Calais to Reims - 168 miles

Calais to Rennes - 330 miles

 

Hardly a difference of 6 hours extra travelling to Rennes.

 

Of course St Malo which is a port connected by a ferry from Portsmouth is possible.

St Malo to Rennes - 43 miles

 

MMMMM Very interesting!!!

lets have ago back at Rennes?

Failing that lets just bar the south frae the race and lets see wot happens!!!

come on lads I get the impression that its far toooooo easy doon here??????

Many tried many failed. Your doos still have tae fly the distance you set them for!!

I can see the point of everybody tryin tae time on the shift but surely if we have a race frae 490miles lib at 6am then everybody times wae good velocitys???? unless my maths is very poor???

[Guest stb-]

MMMMM Very interesting!!!

lets have ago back at Rennes?

Failing that lets just bar the south frae the race and lets see wot happens!!!

come on lads I get the impression that its far toooooo easy doon here??????

Many tried many failed. Your doos still have tae fly the distance you set them for!!

I can see the point of everybody tryin tae time on the shift but surely if we have a race frae 490miles lib at 6am then everybody times wae good velocitys???? unless my maths is very poor???

FAE SARTILLY 510 MOST O THE COUNTRY COULD TME OAN THE SHIFT NAE PROBS

 

RENNES OAN A NORTH WIND YOU WOULD STRUGGLE TAE GET THEM UP THE COUNTRY AS FAR IN MUCH NUMBERS BUT WOULD CERTAINLY BE MORE ATTAINABLE DOON YOUR WAY OAN THE SHIFT STEVE , IF YOUR NO GETTIN THEM TILL 9 OR 10 WERE NORMALLY NO GETTING THEM UP COUNTRY

[dal2]

 

FAE SARTILLY 510 MOST O THE COUNTRY COULD TME OAN THE SHIFT NAE PROBS

 

RENNES OAN A NORTH WIND YOU WOULD STRUGGLE TAE GET THEM UP THE COUNTRY AS FAR IN MUCH NUMBERS BUT WOULD CERTAINLY BE MORE ATTAINABLE DOON YOUR WAY OAN THE SHIFT STEVE , IF YOUR NO GETTIN THEM TILL 9 OR 10 WERE NORMALLY NO GETTING THEM UP COUNTRY

Yep yer right Rab but naebody can tell the weather perfect. I am no wantin my doos tossed up if any doubt aboot fog????

Miday races are a lottery IMO, first up first hame, No wot mine are aboot but others might have them!! Andy Miller posted aboot gettin them on the shift and thats wot its aboot for me but then agin I live in the sooth so its horses fur courses???

Its gan tae be a struggle keepin us members together in the future so lets hope we can find some common ground!!!!

[robbiedoo.]

MMMMM Very interesting!!!

lets have ago back at Rennes?

Failing that lets just bar the south frae the race and lets see wot happens!!!

come on lads I get the impression that its far toooooo easy doon here??????

Many tried many failed. Your doos still have tae fly the distance you set them for!!

I can see the point of everybody tryin tae time on the shift but surely if we have a race frae 490miles lib at 6am then everybody times wae good velocitys???? unless my maths is very poor???

we already have a race from 490 mile eastbourne

[dal2]

 

we already have a race from 490 mile eastbourne

Fair play mate!!!!

Should we all move tae Aberdeen?????

[yeboah]

Would love to see Rennes back as the gold cup event ,was no better feeling than timing on the shift,all dependant on wind direction as to how far north birds are able to reach on the night if as stated they are not to late into south section birds more than capable of working into east and west sections certainly not as easy for north birds special pigeons to keep working on at those distances but jim donaldsons reims girl and others have put up some tremendous performances over the years

[robbiedoo.]

Fair play mate!!!!

Should we all move tae Aberdeen?????

 

please yersel just reminding you that there is a north section

[dal2]

please yersel just reminding you that there is a north section

Nae issue her mate just pointin oot that if I fly 490 frae 6am then you will get the on the shift????? True????

[frank-123]

please yersel just reminding you that there is a north section

 

is there i would not have known that

is it easier........oh guess i won't carry on

[robbiedoo.]

Nae issue her mate just pointin oot that if I fly 490 frae 6am then you will get the on the shift????? True???? it would depend what time you got them down there i suppose .

 

cross the fingers and live in hope . i have never sent to rennes it was before my time we the doos but by the way some fanceirs speak about it up here i think its got a place in the older fanceirs hearts and i for 1 would love to race from there .

 

is there i would not have known that

is it easier........oh guess i won't carry on

muppet

[DJWa]

Nae issue her mate just pointin oot that if I fly 490 frae 6am then you will get the on the shift????? True????

 

as a rough guide were about 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 hours after they clock into the borders

then robbies got about another hours flying up to him