Guest Gareth Rankin Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 All 3 points you make are very true BUT the one downside going down the west route overshadows the 3 hazzards on the east. Its easily sorted if we all got our finger out but this will never happen because pigeon men want everything done for them. I say,stick to the east coast, you are better with the devil you know until a certain amount of work has been done to clear the west route. Over the last couple of years, some top fanciers from the Midland fed have not been heard from at national level. The west route cant be helping them, can it ? Last National race was the young bird national, Midland fed only had a fraction of the doos away that Lanarkshire had, this down to fact they only have around the 15-20% of the membership of Lanarkshire and yet there are 5 pigeons in the first 11 in the section that are Midland members or fanciers that convoyed with Midland fed to one or more races, quite a good strike rate if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Last National race was the young bird national, Midland fed only had a fraction of the doos away that Lanarkshire had, this down to fact they only have around the 15-20% of the membership of Lanarkshire and yet there are 5 pigeons in the first 11 in the section that are Midland members or fanciers that convoyed with Midland fed to one or more races, quite a good strike rate if you ask me. Yer talking mince, John Short 4th, 11th Harry Rennie gets last ticket 27th the rest Lanarkshire or Forth/Clyde ps J.Houstan FLIES WITH F/C, THATS 22 OF 27 TICKETS FROM lANARKSHIRE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Yer talking mince, John Short 4th, 11th Harry Rennie gets last ticket 27th the rest Lanarkshire or Forth/Clyde ps J.Houstan FLIES WITH F/C, THATS 22 OF 27 TICKETS FROM lANARKSHIRE <_< I did say Midlands members and fanciers who have used them for convoying this year, i.e. E2 Scott & Gillon MotherwellE4 J Short CaldercruixE5 Scott & Gillon MotherwellE10 J.Houston GreengairsE11 J Short Caldercruix Scott and Gillon sent 15 young birds with the Midland fed to Leyland and got 13 home, didn't do them much harm even when it was a sticky race for the small convoy of 400 birds. oh and it was only 16 tickets that were won by Lanarkshire members from the 27 positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 22 tickets from Lanarkshire/ south Lanarkshire from 27. John Houston flew with Forth/ Clyde down east all year, he wouldnt go back down west, ask him None of your spin here Gareth. 22 LANARKSHIRE/south LANARKSHIRE , 2 FORTH/CLYDE AND 3 MIDLAND = 27 ONE NINTH OF THE DIPLOMAS WON IN SNFC YB NATIONAL IN WEST SECTION FLEW DOWN WEST. POOR STATISTICS 24/27 IN TOTAL FLEW DOWN THE EAST ROUTE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 22 tickets from Lanarkshire/ south Lanarkshire from 27. John Houston flew with Forth/ Clyde down east all year, he wouldnt go back down west, ask him None of your spin here Gareth. 22 LANARKSHIRE/south LANARKSHIRE , 2 FORTH/CLYDE AND 3 MIDLAND = 27 ONE NINTH OF THE DIPLOMAS WON IN SNFC YB NATIONAL IN WEST SECTION FLEW DOWN WEST. POOR STATISTICS 24/27 IN TOTAL FLEW DOWN THE EAST ROUTE. No spin Derek , always like to put the facts in front, some people like to paint a certain picture but as always there is 2 sides of the story, will get a few more percentages and facts for you later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 No spin Derek , always like to put the FALSE facts in front, some people like to paint a certain picture but as always there is 2 sides of the story, will get a few more percentages and facts for you later I rest my case ma lud PS. If lanarkshire stay east we ll expect to see you flying with Midland next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budgie Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 22 tickets from Lanarkshire/ south Lanarkshire from 27. John Houston flew with Forth/ Clyde down east all year, he wouldnt go back down west, ask him None of your spin here Gareth. 22 LANARKSHIRE/south LANARKSHIRE , 2 FORTH/CLYDE AND 3 MIDLAND = 27 ONE NINTH OF THE DIPLOMAS WON IN SNFC YB NATIONAL IN WEST SECTION FLEW DOWN WEST. POOR STATISTICS 24/27 IN TOTAL FLEW DOWN THE EAST ROUTE.Derek the response from the Big Yin says it All.Bring back Consett then head over to the West and they will be greetin awe the way tae the coast.When the West Wind Blows only the fittest survive. Just ask the true members who compete in every race how many finished the programme. No spin Derek , always like to put the facts in front, some people like to paint a certain picture but as always there is 2 sides of the story, will get a few more percentages and facts for you later Ask Geordie Mann or the Great Macs how many finish each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I know how many finish Midland fed programme. I competed in it for 3 years and was at the death every year,only one from my club lasted the pace with me, I also won their coveted John Donald trophy for best average all races.( runner- up twice ) That took its *expletive removed* toll on my loft. I went with Lanarkshire and then Almond valley down the east and my loft is now stacked with doos, make up your own mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Derek the response from the Big Yin says it All.Bring back Consett then head over to the West and they will be greetin awe the way tae the coast.When the West Wind Blows only the fittest survive. Just ask the true members who compete in every race how many finished the programme. Ask Geordie Mann or the Great Macs how many finish each year.Have spoke with GeordieM about young bird racing with the Midland fed this year, they had 2 not so good races and that was an appleby race which was the same day as the majority of the feds got a tousing, 2nd race was Leyland from a convoy of 400 birds, that said i entered a yearling race with a small convoy from York this year and it was a stinker which i'm sure your pal King Billy will verfy so small convoys will struggle at the best of times. Regards to how many members finished the program, its the same every year in every fed of how many members finish the program, i could tell you the names of members who hardly lost a doo in young and old bird racing in the last few years, but for everyone of these there 3-4 members have have experienced servere losses. As for your quip about Consett, it is the same as every other race point it requires good weather, this did not happen in the first young bird race and a disaster was had by all, though it cant be forgotten that 90% of the feds got a stinker that day, The second Consett race came at a time of the year when the climate changed to Autumnal with a cold head wind, the young birds didnt like it and what materialised was another stinker just like all the other Lanarkshire races from that part of the country in the same sort of conditions. Yes we will dispose of the Consett liberation site just like umpteen other sites in the past. The east after 100 miles mark aint the honeymoon country that you believe it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigda Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 asked 30 members from the lanarkshirewhere they would like to race from12 said east 3 said not bothered10 said west 5 said 30 mile in side from the east coast so as there are no hold overs,and late libs, from fog and haar, at the coasts, a reasonable answer that last one so far east has the majority of 56% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom corrie Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I know how many finish Midland fed programme. I competed in it for 3 years and was at the death every year,only one from my club lasted the pace with me, I also won their coveted John Donald trophy for best average all races.( runner- up twice ) That took its *expletive removed* toll on my loft. I went with Lanarkshire and then Almond valley down the east and my loft is now stacked with doos, make up your own mind [/quote Is that you braging again Delboy I wish i had birds like yours they never seem to get lost racing down the East Coast you must only breed a dozen youngsters every year ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I know how many finish Midland fed programme. I competed in it for 3 years and was at the death every year,only one from my club lasted the pace with me, I also won their coveted John Donald trophy for best average all races.( runner- up twice ) That took its *expletive removed* toll on my loft. I went with Lanarkshire and then Almond valley down the east and my loft is now stacked with doos, make up your own mind [/quote Is that you braging again Delboy I wish i had birds like yours they never seem to get lost racing down the East Coast you must only breed a dozen youngsters every year ? Im not *expletive removed* bragging, im stating facts. If you lose all yer doos thenYer doos are p/sh , simple as that. Wee Eddie is flying my doos and hardly lost a yb this year as well.By the way, dont be so *expletive removed* cheeky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterbmasson Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 ame='tom corrie' date='12 October 2010 - 17:30 PM' timestamp='1286901052' post='598024'] Im not *expletive removed* bragging, im stating facts. If you lose all yer doos thenYer doos are p/sh then, simple as that. Wee Eddie is flying my doos and hardly lost a yb this year as well.By the way, dont be so *expletive removed* cheeky that is a puzzler delboy why can wee eddie be flying your doos and you are blawing yer trumpet if wee eddie won a race o thats my doo that realy pisses fanciers off so your birds are in your loft not in wee eddies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 that is a puzzler delboy why can wee eddie be flying your doos and you are blawing yer trumpet if wee eddie won a race o thats my doo that realy pisses fanciers off so your birds are in your loft not in wee eddies Aye yer right,its fk all to do with me, my mistake, my m8 Eddie is flying birds of the same strain and has brilliant returns. Is that better ya stirring auld c... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budgie Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Have spoke with GeordieM about young bird racing with the Midland fed this year, they had 2 not so good races and that was an appleby race which was the same day as the majority of the feds got a tousing, 2nd race was Leyland from a convoy of 400 birds, that said i entered a yearling race with a small convoy from York this year and it was a stinker which i'm sure your pal King Billy will verfy so small convoys will struggle at the best of times. Regards to how many members finished the program, its the same every year in every fed of how many members finish the program, i could tell you the names of members who hardly lost a doo in young and old bird racing in the last few years, but for everyone of these there 3-4 members have have experienced servere losses. As for your quip about Consett, it is the same as every other race point it requires good weather, this did not happen in the first young bird race and a disaster was had by all, though it cant be forgotten that 90% of the feds got a stinker that day, The second Consett race came at a time of the year when the climate changed to Autumnal with a cold head wind, the young birds didnt like it and what materialised was another stinker just like all the other Lanarkshire races from that part of the country in the same sort of conditions. Yes we will dispose of the Consett liberation site just like umpteen other sites in the past. The east after 100 miles mark aint the honeymoon country that you believe it is. Listen Ma Lud if you dont know why respond in this fashion.Did Geordie tell you how many have finished the Old &Young Birds over the last 5 years Eye or Naw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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budgie Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Have spoke with GeordieM about young bird racing with the Midland fed this year, they had 2 not so good races and that was an appleby race which was the same day as the majority of the feds got a tousing, 2nd race was Leyland from a convoy of 400 birds, that said i entered a yearling race with a small convoy from York this year and it was a stinker which i'm sure your pal King Billy will verfy so small convoys will struggle at the best of times. Regards to how many members finished the program, its the same every year in every fed of how many members finish the program, i could tell you the names of members who hardly lost a doo in young and old bird racing in the last few years, but for everyone of these there 3-4 members have have experienced servere losses. As for your quip about Consett, it is the same as every other race point it requires good weather, this did not happen in the first young bird race and a disaster was had by all, though it cant be forgotten that 90% of the feds got a stinker that day, The second Consett race came at a time of the year when the climate changed to Autumnal with a cold head wind, the young birds didnt like it and what materialised was another stinker just like all the other Lanarkshire races from that part of the country in the same sort of conditions. Yes we will dispose of the Consett liberation site just like umpteen other sites in the past. The east after 100 miles mark aint the honeymoon country that you believe it is. Climate change what planet are you on.Would you have liberated at Consett stating the attached or would you not have held over due to the wind being to strong at the race point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 ame='tom corrie' date='12 October 2010 - 17:30 PM' timestamp='1286901052' post='598024'] Im not *expletive removed* bragging, im stating facts. If you lose all yer doos thenYer doos are p/sh , simple as that. Wee Eddie is flying my doos and hardly lost a yb this year as well.By the way, dont be so *expletive removed* cheeky on ye go big man u tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budgie Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I know how many finish Midland fed programme. I competed in it for 3 years and was at the death every year,only one from my club lasted the pace with me, I also won their coveted John Donald trophy for best average all races.( runner- up twice ) That took its *expletive removed* toll on my loft. I went with Lanarkshire and then Almond valley down the east and my loft is now stacked with doos, make up your own mind [/quote Is that you braging again Delboy I wish i had birds like yours they never seem to get lost racing down the East Coast you must only breed a dozen youngsters every year ? Tom i dont think Derek is braging he is only stating the 98% rule.Can you tell us how many finished as Big Bambi is ducking an Diving . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gareth Rankin Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Climate change what planet are you on.Would you have liberated at Consett stating the attached or would you not have held over due to the wind being to strong at the race point. Race controllers words Andy and i would tend to agree with him on this matter, its happened for years the first sign of the season changing and the young birds don't like it especially in a cold head wind. If we had liberated from Tow law or a similar distance we would have still got a stiff one, possibly not as bad as Consett but a stiff one never the less. And yes i would also have liberated them at the second Consett race as the conditions were good with broken cloud and blue skies and when your a race controller or Convoyer your job is too give the doos a fair crack of the whip which is almost impossible from this area of the UK. Back to the west, you know you want too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alec guinness Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 ame='tom corrie' date='12 October 2010 - 17:30 PM' timestamp='1286901052' post='598024'] Tom i dont think Derek is braging he is only stating the 98% rule.Can you tell us how many finished as Big Bambi is ducking an Diving . andy we also raced the midland fed programme 2004-2008 and timed in every federation race except last young bird race 2006 when only 1 bird was recorded in the federation in race time,as for how many finished the programme i dont think there were many,the young birds had it very hard and we did change (2008) due to lack of numbers at the end of the season,we have definately noticed a big difference with racing east,only my opinion but you guys will do what you think is best,but there is some good advice is on this thread. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novo10 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 22 tickets from Lanarkshire/ south Lanarkshire from 27. John Houston flew with Forth/ Clyde down east all year, he wouldnt go back down west, ask him None of your spin here Gareth. 22 LANARKSHIRE/south LANARKSHIRE , 2 FORTH/CLYDE AND 3 MIDLAND = 27 ONE NINTH OF THE DIPLOMAS WON IN SNFC YB NATIONAL IN WEST SECTION FLEW DOWN WEST. POOR STATISTICS 24/27 IN TOTAL FLEW DOWN THE EAST ROUTE.have alook at bovington result and c how many weve got on result and we raced every week with midland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOMER49 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 HiWas down at Hartlepool today and stopped of atSedgefield race course(well the gates were open) its a cracking lib siteWell done Gareth on preposing this lib siteCheersHomer 49 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanarkshire lad Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 have alook at bovington result and c how many weve got on result and we raced every week with midland Big deal, Who gives a rats fart about bovingdon.Its a wee boys race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
novo10 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Big deal, Who gives a rats fart about bovingdon.Its a wee boys race.stating a fact to be well in nationals got to come up the west side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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