Worth A Try

[kapri 07]

what's people's opinion on for the first 4 young birds only ....basket and race on the same day to see if returns are better than over night basket in because what I have noticed is the first 3 there's so many losses and I'm not convinced they are all bad young birds but in weather like this more dehydrated young birds ....at least if we try something different then we will never no

[Happyflyer]

As you have said bob, anything is worth a try as they are a ridiculous about of young birds getting lost in these races,and is surely dampening the way the owners see these races panning out..

[BIGPETE]

Sounds like a good idea. Don’t see why people wouldn’t go for it. Less time in the basket can only be a good thing. Especially with races where the drive to racepoint would only be a few hours.

[blue lad]

That's one of the most sensible posts I've Read on site.No use throwing them away!

The same youngsters will be the future of every loft.We all need to exercise caution

To limit damage sustained.How Much good youngsters are lost through no fault of there own? Due to factors outwith our control. Then blame the parents of said birds being no use as stock? It always was the survival of the fittest. But even that doesn't apply to racing nowadays.

[greenbar]

It,'ll not happen heads in the sand.

[Wiley]

It's what we do in the midweek club very few get 100% returns on the day by doing this, it's what I've found anyhow but racing with basket Friday for Saturday race always good returns. Don't think enough time to rest and get a drink imo

[Goodview]

I proposed this in our fed a few years ago , unfortunately it got out voted

 

My reasoning behind the proposal was ,

1/ obviously a short race so if the weather did change over night .....no problem

2/ I asked how many fanciers basketed there doos the night before for a toss .....none

3/ because it was a short race (50 and 80 mls) there was no problem with a lib at say 2pm ,

4/ if we didn’t try something different then nothing will change.

 

Don’t race now but still have the doos best interest at heart

[leslie24williams49]

Try corn soaked 12 hrs.thurs.night Fri. to help with dehydration.

[eastcoaster]

Try corn soaked 12 hrs.thurs.night Fri. to help with dehydration.

I have actually tried this but birds would not eat the swollen corn ,maybe I should have gotten them used to it beforehand.

[eric owenson]

what's people's opinion on for the first 4 young birds only ....basket and race on the same day to see if returns are better than over night basket in because what I have noticed is the first 3 there's so many losses and I'm not convinced they are all bad young birds but in weather like this more dehydrated young birds ....at least if we try something different then we will never no

Been saying this for years again our opinion only

Dehydrated youngsters won’t return,due to the heat.

Just check out 5he inland National from a few years ago same weather pattern= losses this is my opinion only.

[Joe tyre]

With the comments and huge losses in short races and short tosses I think it's time to rest our young birds till next year at least they maybay have a better chance but everyone has their own opinions on it after all it's all about learning our young birds for the future but the way it's going the future not looking good for our birds unless wee find the real reasons for all the losses which again is in the hands of the gods in my opinion

[kapri 07]

Like a say it's worth a try as what have we got to lose ? and I'm sure if all clubs/feds all worked together just maybe we can see an improvement in young bird racing again as u believe the main problem is dehydration and anxiety in over night young bird racing

[Roland]

They have same day races in Belgium for instance. They have their fair share losses too.

 

 

It,'ll not happen heads in the sand.

 

How true.

Never ever seen common sense prevail in this so - called sport yet!

So one says that a few hours lost travelling same day could/would be good... then also say the birds need all the sunlight that they need in other races.

I.e. the old birds distance racing scenario. 'They need that extra half hour' … but then the fact is they don't. Also often get held back far more time wise.

 

 

Simple reality of happenings, as every season proves, is much that much said this time of year, spouted and put forward.... Mind never at club meetings, let alone Federation meeting Lo and heavens forbid regards National meetings / races, for it is quickly shield away from and dies a forlorn death.

 

What have we to lose! Nothing for it will be the same losses next season.

Edited July 27, 2019 by Roland

[Roland]

Would say if its worth a try, then start at club level, then other clubs to Federation proposals … already 95% have packed up I'd wager. A few lone voices in the wilderness will often mean more good and genuine fanciers leaving the sport! J.M.O.

[ovy1255]

It's what we do in the midweek club very few get 100% returns on the day by doing this, it's what I've found anyhow but racing with basket Friday for Saturday race always good returns. Don't think enough time to rest and get a drink imo

 

 

You Carnt make a comparison sat to wed—birdage ?

But if you try——high spen midweek club basketed on wed any age race 8 old and 8 young birds —five members sent young birds more sent old birds only ,basketed at 8am wed morning ,left in club till dinner time when they were picked up by transport —merc sprinter van ,—-liberated at 3.30pm from 67 miles,one member flying really well clocked 6 old birds then next bird was young bird.

I got all eight youngbirds in 9mins—100 percent

Never have bad losses on midweek —should touch wood .

Nothing wrong with same day basketing—imo

[ovy1255]

G FISHER

18 AP 440

16-45-47

1516-54

65.529

G FISHER

18 AP 470

16-45-48

1516-21

G FISHER

18 AP 451

16-45-50

1515-54

G FISHER

18 AP 59

16-45-50

1515-54

G FISHER

18 AP 486

16-45-51

1515-21

G FISHER

17 AP 2038

16-45-55

1513-88

SMITH&OVYINGTON

19 AP 5

16-48-37

1504.36

67-348

CRITCHLOW/TAYLOR

18AP 1672

16-48-29

1477.25

65.1540

CRITCHLOW/TAYLOR

18 AP 1608

16-48-31

1476.62

CRITCHLOW/TAYLOR

18 AP 1612

16-48-32

1476.31

SMITH&OVYINGTON

19 BELG 6114510

16-50-11

1474.96

GOLDSBOROUGH/WS T1

18 AP 2491

16-49-08

1473.71

66.460

GOLDSBOROUGH/WS T1

NWHU 18 H 5150

16-49-09

1473.40

G FISHER

17 Z 8149

16-48-00

1473.13

G FISHER

18 AP 449

16-48-00

1473.13

GOLDSBOROUGH/WS T2

NWHU 18 H 5140

16-49-10

1473.09

GOLDSBOROUGH/WS T2

GB 19 S 03563

16-49-17

1470.92

GOLDSBOROUGH/WS T2

19 CON 2487

16-49-18

1470.61

SMITH&OVYINGTON

19 AP 14

16-50-27

1470.08

SMITH&OVYINGTON

18 AP 2477

16-50-28

1469.77

HIGH SPEN MIDWEEK CLUB FROM THE VALE OF DERWENT SOCIAL CLUB RESULT ANY AGE RACE FLOWN FROM WETHERBY WEDNESDAY 24TH JULY 2019 BIRDS LIBERATED 3-30 WEST SOUTH WEST JAMES CAMBELL 18 Z 4761 16-57-09 1461.92 72.687

JAMES CAMBELL 19 TD 764 16-57-35 1454.69

W HUNTER 19 CON 2493 16-59-54 1444.13 73.1348 OLD BIRDS 62

YOUNG BIRDS 30

[Wiley]

You Carnt make a comparison sat to wed—birdage ?

But if you try——high spen midweek club basketed on wed any age race 8 old and 8 young birds —five members sent young birds more sent old birds only ,basketed at 8am wed morning ,left in club till dinner time when they were picked up by transport —merc sprinter van ,—-liberated at 3.30pm from 67 miles,one member flying really well clocked 6 old birds then next bird was young bird.

I got all eight youngbirds in 9mins—100 percent

Never have bad losses on midweek —should touch wood .

Nothing wrong with same day basketing—imo

 

Sorry Ovy why can't I make a comparison! The birdage on a Wednesday in the whole convoy is averaging 1000 pigeons where I race and the Saturday convoy average 1500?

[Roland]

Well 'making a Comparison' eh!

 

Nigh all of us/you have taken a couple of baskets or so and let off separately! Is it not true the differences in homing is stupendous!

Last basket home way before the first release. First lot nicely backt … Then the second loft a disaster or n … Yes unbelievably differences. Right, that isn't it!

 

On race days, one fed has high returns. Over the border 3-50 miles, whatever, a disaster etc. etc.

 

One thing for sure we never know, or ever will it seems to know the first jot of the sport. We have a good run, then do the same and have a disastrous run.

All within minutes.

 

Yesteryear bird, in reality, overall were far superior Losses far, far less — velocities etc. at least on par. Birds not home race night were next morning or so.

 

Ok climates are different.150.000 fanciers sent far fewer birds than the 23.000 today.

 

Homing ability shot to pieces mostly today/ Culls bred to be lost. Time we looked at the problem and see how much is our fault!

 

I'll give examples, Worming regularly whether needed or not. Canker treated usually… with the same remedy causing deep-rooted infections that can't be removed (Well can, but dozens of other things are treated instead!.

 

Yeah ok So and So advertises that '....' and has no problems. Of course not, probably never sees it, let alone does it! Mind he gets his 'Name' in lights and money in the bank!

 

 

Yes, of course, the raptures have a lot to answer for. Mind, again who don't didn't act when the time was/is to be.

 

But the truth is Raptures are only responsible for far fewer numbers given to them.

But you know, regardless of what one knows, they will carry on doing the same.

Edited July 28, 2019 by Roland