Pigeonbob Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 what's people's opinion on for the first 4 young birds only ....basket and race on the same day to see if returns are better than over night basket in because what I have noticed is the first 3 there's so many losses and I'm not convinced they are all bad young birds but in weather like this more dehydrated young birds ....at least if we try something different then we will never no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happyflyer Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 As you have said bob, anything is worth a try as they are a ridiculous about of young birds getting lost in these races,and is surely dampening the way the owners see these races panning out.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGPETE Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 Sounds like a good idea. Don’t see why people wouldn’t go for it. Less time in the basket can only be a good thing. Especially with races where the drive to racepoint would only be a few hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue lad Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 That's one of the most sensible posts I've Read on site.No use throwing them away! The same youngsters will be the future of every loft.We all need to exercise caution To limit damage sustained.How Much good youngsters are lost through no fault of there own? Due to factors outwith our control. Then blame the parents of said birds being no use as stock? It always was the survival of the fittest. But even that doesn't apply to racing nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbar Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 It,'ll not happen heads in the sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 It's what we do in the midweek club very few get 100% returns on the day by doing this, it's what I've found anyhow but racing with basket Friday for Saturday race always good returns. Don't think enough time to rest and get a drink imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodview Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 I proposed this in our fed a few years ago , unfortunately it got out voted My reasoning behind the proposal was ,1/ obviously a short race so if the weather did change over night .....no problem2/ I asked how many fanciers basketed there doos the night before for a toss .....none3/ because it was a short race (50 and 80 mls) there was no problem with a lib at say 2pm ,4/ if we didn’t try something different then nothing will change. Don’t race now but still have the doos best interest at heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leslie24williams49 Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 Try corn soaked 12 hrs.thurs.night Fri. to help with dehydration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastcoaster Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 Try corn soaked 12 hrs.thurs.night Fri. to help with dehydration.I have actually tried this but birds would not eat the swollen corn ,maybe I should have gotten them used to it beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric owenson Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 what's people's opinion on for the first 4 young birds only ....basket and race on the same day to see if returns are better than over night basket in because what I have noticed is the first 3 there's so many losses and I'm not convinced they are all bad young birds but in weather like this more dehydrated young birds ....at least if we try something different then we will never noBeen saying this for years again our opinion onlyDehydrated youngsters won’t return,due to the heat.Just check out 5he inland National from a few years ago same weather pattern= losses this is my opinion only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe tyre Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 With the comments and huge losses in short races and short tosses I think it's time to rest our young birds till next year at least they maybay have a better chance but everyone has their own opinions on it after all it's all about learning our young birds for the future but the way it's going the future not looking good for our birds unless wee find the real reasons for all the losses which again is in the hands of the gods in my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeonbob Posted July 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 Like a say it's worth a try as what have we got to lose ? and I'm sure if all clubs/feds all worked together just maybe we can see an improvement in young bird racing again as u believe the main problem is dehydration and anxiety in over night young bird racing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 27, 2019 Report Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) They have same day races in Belgium for instance. They have their fair share losses too. It,'ll not happen heads in the sand. How true. Never ever seen common sense prevail in this so - called sport yet! So one says that a few hours lost travelling same day could/would be good... then also say the birds need all the sunlight that they need in other races. I.e. the old birds distance racing scenario. 'They need that extra half hour' … but then the fact is they don't. Also often get held back far more time wise. Simple reality of happenings, as every season proves, is much that much said this time of year, spouted and put forward.... Mind never at club meetings, let alone Federation meeting Lo and heavens forbid regards National meetings / races, for it is quickly shield away from and dies a forlorn death. What have we to lose! Nothing for it will be the same losses next season. Edited July 27, 2019 by Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 Would say if its worth a try, then start at club level, then other clubs to Federation proposals … already 95% have packed up I'd wager. A few lone voices in the wilderness will often mean more good and genuine fanciers leaving the sport! J.M.O. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovy1255 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 It's what we do in the midweek club very few get 100% returns on the day by doing this, it's what I've found anyhow but racing with basket Friday for Saturday race always good returns. Don't think enough time to rest and get a drink imo You Carnt make a comparison sat to wed—birdage ? But if you try——high spen midweek club basketed on wed any age race 8 old and 8 young birds —five members sent young birds more sent old birds only ,basketed at 8am wed morning ,left in club till dinner time when they were picked up by transport —merc sprinter van ,—-liberated at 3.30pm from 67 miles,one member flying really well clocked 6 old birds then next bird was young bird.I got all eight youngbirds in 9mins—100 percent Never have bad losses on midweek —should touch wood .Nothing wrong with same day basketing—imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovy1255 Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 G FISHER 18 AP 440 16-45-47 1516-54 65.529 G FISHER 18 AP 470 16-45-48 1516-21 G FISHER 18 AP 451 16-45-50 1515-54 G FISHER 18 AP 59 16-45-50 1515-54 G FISHER 18 AP 486 16-45-51 1515-21 G FISHER 17 AP 2038 16-45-55 1513-88 SMITH&OVYINGTON 19 AP 5 16-48-37 1504.36 67-348 CRITCHLOW/TAYLOR 18AP 1672 16-48-291477.25 65.1540 CRITCHLOW/TAYLOR 18 AP 1608 16-48-31 1476.62 CRITCHLOW/TAYLOR 18 AP 1612 16-48-32 1476.31 SMITH&OVYINGTON 19 BELG 6114510 16-50-11 1474.96 GOLDSBOROUGH/WS T1 18 AP 2491 16-49-08 1473.71 66.460 GOLDSBOROUGH/WS T1 NWHU 18 H 5150 16-49-091473.40 G FISHER 17 Z 8149 16-48-00 1473.13 G FISHER 18 AP 449 16-48-00 1473.13 GOLDSBOROUGH/WS T2 NWHU 18 H 5140 16-49-10 1473.09 GOLDSBOROUGH/WS T2 GB 19 S 03563 16-49-171470.92 GOLDSBOROUGH/WS T2 19 CON 2487 16-49-18 1470.61 SMITH&OVYINGTON 19 AP 14 16-50-271470.08 SMITH&OVYINGTON 18 AP 2477 16-50-28 1469.77 HIGH SPEN MIDWEEK CLUB FROM THE VALE OF DERWENT SOCIAL CLUB RESULT ANY AGE RACE FLOWN FROM WETHERBY WEDNESDAY 24TH JULY 2019 BIRDS LIBERATED 3-30 WEST SOUTH WEST JAMES CAMBELL 18 Z 4761 16-57-09 1461.92 72.687JAMES CAMBELL 19 TD 764 16-57-35 1454.69W HUNTER 19 CON 2493 16-59-54 1444.13 73.1348 OLD BIRDS 62YOUNG BIRDS 30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiley Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 You Carnt make a comparison sat to wed—birdage ? But if you try——high spen midweek club basketed on wed any age race 8 old and 8 young birds —five members sent young birds more sent old birds only ,basketed at 8am wed morning ,left in club till dinner time when they were picked up by transport —merc sprinter van ,—-liberated at 3.30pm from 67 miles,one member flying really well clocked 6 old birds then next bird was young bird.I got all eight youngbirds in 9mins—100 percent Never have bad losses on midweek —should touch wood .Nothing wrong with same day basketing—imo Sorry Ovy why can't I make a comparison! The birdage on a Wednesday in the whole convoy is averaging 1000 pigeons where I race and the Saturday convoy average 1500? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) Well 'making a Comparison' eh! Nigh all of us/you have taken a couple of baskets or so and let off separately! Is it not true the differences in homing is stupendous! Last basket home way before the first release. First lot nicely backt … Then the second loft a disaster or n … Yes unbelievably differences. Right, that isn't it! On race days, one fed has high returns. Over the border 3-50 miles, whatever, a disaster etc. etc. One thing for sure we never know, or ever will it seems to know the first jot of the sport. We have a good run, then do the same and have a disastrous run. All within minutes. Yesteryear bird, in reality, overall were far superior Losses far, far less — velocities etc. at least on par. Birds not home race night were next morning or so. Ok climates are different.150.000 fanciers sent far fewer birds than the 23.000 today. Homing ability shot to pieces mostly today/ Culls bred to be lost. Time we looked at the problem and see how much is our fault! I'll give examples, Worming regularly whether needed or not. Canker treated usually… with the same remedy causing deep-rooted infections that can't be removed (Well can, but dozens of other things are treated instead!. Yeah ok So and So advertises that '....' and has no problems. Of course not, probably never sees it, let alone does it! Mind he gets his 'Name' in lights and money in the bank! Yes, of course, the raptures have a lot to answer for. Mind, again who don't didn't act when the time was/is to be. But the truth is Raptures are only responsible for far fewer numbers given to them. But you know, regardless of what one knows, they will carry on doing the same. Edited July 28, 2019 by Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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