Quite right Frank. The SNFC Gold Cup was the once regarded be all and end all, nothing else mattered. The main subject in the pub after marking tonight was the 7000+ birdage in the 70's Only today a guy at my work with no doo connections at all asked if it was Rennes soon, everyone in Scotland associates Rennes with pigeons, when I tell people names such as Reims, Messac, Alencon, La Ferte Bernard etc they look bewildered. Far too many SNFC nowdays with less fanciers and diluted birdages, who the hell invented inland nationals..... and yes I am a past winner of one !!! As Bigda says...... a tranny van beckons.... sad but very true