Roland

:-/ :-/ :-/ :-/ :o What has that got to do with the Post and topic??? Don't that will be answered, too busy seeing the ET to read topics and their headings, Indeed what the thread is about lol ;D ) ;D ;D ;D

Will be , apparently, washed up in France, so that will be a wash out lol :o ;D

Start your own thread if you want to talk about ETS. :-/ Exactly Johnny ... but that will have already gone over their heads! ;D ;D

12 pair used to be the maximum before being a 'Mobb Flyer'! Now, as then, if of a decent foundation, more than enough for anyone. Sellers, and feather merchants that need a few cards, well ....

Twilight, just before it fetch the then world record price of £625. I was about 10 at the time and gave nigh everyone in the hall a heart in their mouth moment before ordered to put the bird back lol.

Yep, get well first, then come back, best health to you.

Exactly!!!! Which is what I often spout about the ET crap scenario. The Pr. V Anti brigade just can't shut the ' whatever' up whenever any topic rises about the ET. Golly even put up a Topic 'Needless ......... ET'S and why does this very crap happen! and That went on for nearly 3 days with every scenario going to try and swing it around to discuss and 'Mostly' the pro ET spout the hear 27,000, 000 times been heard about the 'Good' of the benefits etc. and then insults as to why fanciers 'Don't' have one. 95% didn't even read it properly, and 96% of those that replied on that 'Topic' didn't have the faintest idea what the post was even about in the first place! Like I say, IT WOIULD be nice, if once, just twice now because it happened for half a day yesterday, when a topic on ET's could stay on the topic that it is posted. Like I said, every time it happens and that HAS to be a well putting off to anyone that wants to ask a question on a Et's related topics. Thought that it could be allowed once! Even twice? !

were talking about the shu rule not the rpra rule ,anyway why is pad allowed to be outside the loft under boards etc why not inside the loft simple and no arguements Personally I agree with you 100%. Had birds land on landing board, piddle about and fly off onto the roof etc. ... But that is now legal if you have a et. Plus 17 seconds advantage. The rules state so. Like they say, it's here, get use to it.

Any Hot Rod, in the 'Confines' is different galore to in the 'Confined' so that is why say Unikon say that a pad under the 'Landing Board' is within the confides of the loft! Not Confined within the loft. Simple that, whether one has a ET or not.

Like I say... Wouldn't it be loverly, just for a topic in regards the ET, for the topic to stay in that topic... But no, of we go again. Ones never going to be educated in regards anything to do with the ET's on a 'Pigeon site, and thats for sure.

Doesn't thr ules state 'Within the CONFINES of the loft.... Not within Confined' of the loft. There is a vast difference!

Well it seems that if you went to Louella, or phoned them, you can have birds off the national winners. Indeed have two National winners matted and have the youngsters to order, whatever your fancy. Also youngster off winners, and Double grandchildren off national winners. etc. etc.

Well hardly, to never ever saw it.... but now it seems to be rife. Indeed very many lofts have their birds doing now. Why? Seems to be a new thing too. :-/

Talking about apathy, do people really understand, recognise.... or is it really that unless it involves them, they just don't care? ..........! A Violinist in the Metro A man sat at a metro station in Washington DC and started to play the violin; it was a cold January morning. He played six Bach pieces for about 45 minutes. During that time, since it was rush hour, it was calculated that thousand of people went through the station, most of them on their way to work. Three minutes went by and a middle aged man noticed there was musician playing. He slowed his pace and stopped for a few seconds and then hurried up to meet his schedule. A minute later, the violinist received his first dollar tip: a woman threw the money in the till and without stopping continued to walk. A few minutes later, someone leaned against the wall to listen to him, but the man looked at his watch and started to walk again. Clearly he was late for work. The one who paid the most attention was a 3 year old boy. His mother tagged him along, hurried but the kid stopped to look at the violinist. Finally the mother pushed hard and the child continued to walk turning his head all the time. This action was repeated by several other children. All the parents, without exception, forced them to move on. In the 45 minutes the musician played, only 6 people stopped and stayed for a while. About 20 gave him money but continued to walk their normal pace. He collected $32. When he finished playing and silence took over, no one noticed it. No one applauded, nor was there any recognition. No one knew this but the violinist was Joshua Bell, one of the best musicians in the world. He played one of the most intricate pieces ever written with a violin worth 3.5 million dollars. Two days before his playing in the subway, Joshua Bell sold out at a theater in Boston and the seats average $100. This is a real story. Joshua Bell playing incognito in the metro station was organized by the Washington Post as part of an social experiment about perception, taste and priorities of people. The outlines were: in a commonplace environment at an inappropriate hour: Do we perceive beauty? Do we stop to appreciate it? Do we recognize the talent in an unexpected context? One of the possible conclusions from this experience could be: If we do not have a moment to stop and listen to one of the best musicians in the world playing the best music ever written, how many other things are we missing?

He just got the sack ;D

Get one into a 'Good' habit. Found the very best way is to take from - when Ready' and basket train them. Then after 2 - 6 days on how you feel. Of course let then in and out a couple of times into their new loft. But feed and water them in the basket. Likewise Basket then up so they can have a good look around. Basket never then a concern, and they feel safe and at home. Likewise when then introducing them to their new loft. And of course, walking in and out of their new loft, gives them a sense of safty there straight off. Just watch them take off into the the loft at the first noise or scare. When that is accomplished, reput them through the traps just after you have put their dinner out. 3 days or so later they will trap quickly at the sound of your command and feed. Soon just your voice will do the trick. Patience is the key word here.

That's what I thought when I first saw too.

Leave them in a basket, and train them into their new loft department. Often use to put them through the traps a few times, not of late, but do feel this helps. Always move around 'ALL' birds slowly and talk to them. Then just leave the door open for them to walk in and out. Feed them in and talk to them.

Well we all see it clearly and 99% let it slide when they wish. Had stacks of 'Great Causes' on here galore. Stacks of views with fevour ... only to dwinddle into a sad decline when asked to 'Put up'.. Had many up in arms about this and that or the other .... just to fissle out when asked to 'Stand up and be counted'. Love as many quiddies as the 'Let's Do' that are quickly forgotten when they have realised it 'Meant THEM'! Sad to say, many promote great ideas... that fall by the ewayside when Him/ her / or Anyone else' doesn't take up the guantlet and run with it. Sadly indeed is the fact that most utter soothing sounds to tickle the ears, but have 1000's of excuses and reasons why they won't or can't. Too many, true are the moaners and bulet makers, and too few, or many of us thrice bitten, and still hope... hope that just one day ... eh! But then we fall out of bed and wake up with a bump! Should be an unwritten rule, 'Only put forward what you are prepared to see through'! Would be much put up I'd wager.

Was the chief constable of Cleveland. He had outstanding success too. But they nipped and tucked at him none stop. Many false aquesations etc. Indeed was suspended finally, won the disaplinary case, then the court case and was .... paid off or forgotton.

Count me down for one.

SHERIFF JOE IS AT IT AGAIN! Oh, there's MUCH more to know about Sheriff Joe! Maricopa County was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff Joe offered to take the department over, and the County Supervisors said okay. The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behaviour. They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows. The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and I adopted a Weimaraner from a Maricopa County shelter two years ago. He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78. The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals. I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand. He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the Christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living Christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the Holidays, and plant it later. We have six trees in our yard from the Prison. Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the vote. Now he's in trouble with the ACLU again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border He's kind of a 'Git-R Dun' kind of Sheriff. TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO HE IS THE MARICOPA ARIZONA COUNTY SHERIFF AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (In Arizona ) who created the ' Tent City Jail': He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them. He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights Cut off all but 'G' movies. He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects. Then He Started Chain Gangs For Women So He Wouldn't Get Sued For Discrimination. He took away cable TV Until he found out there was A Federal Court Order that Required Cable TV For Jails So He Hooked Up The Cable TV Again Only Let In The Disney Channel And The Weather Channel. When asked why the weather channel He Replied, So They Will Know How Hot It's Gonna Be While They Are Working ON My Chain Gangs. He Cut Off Coffee Since It Has Zero Nutritional Value. When the inmates complained, he told them, 'This Isn't The Ritz/Carlton......If You Don't Like It, Don't Come Back.' More On The Arizona Sheriff: With Temperatures Being Even Hotter Than Usual In Phoenix (116 Degrees Just Set A New Record), the Associated Press Reports: About 2,000 Inmates Living In A Barbed-Wire-Surrounded Tent Encampment At The Maricopa County Jail Have Been Given Permission To Strip Down To Their Government-Issued Pink Boxer Shorts. On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138 Degrees Inside The Week Before. Many Were Also Swathed In Wet, Pink Towels As Sweat Collected On Their Chests And Dripped Down To Their PINK SOCKS. 'It Feels Like We Are In A Furnace,' Said James Zanzot, An Inmate Who Has Lived In The TENTS for 1 year. 'It's Inhumane.' Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: 'It's 120 Degrees In Iraq And Our Soldiers Are Living In Tents Too, And They Have To Wear Full Battle Gear, But They Didn't Commit Any Crimes,So Shut Your Mouths!' Way To Go, Sheriff! Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves. If you agree, pass this on. If not, just delete it.

Baptising an Irishman A man is stumbling through the woods, totally drunk, when he comes upon a preacher baptising people in the river. He proceeds to walk into the water and subsequently bumps into the preacher. The preacher turns around and is almost overcome by the smell of alcohol, whereupon he asks the drunk, 'Are you ready to find Jesus?' The drunk shouts, 'Yes, oi am.' So the preacher grabs him and dunks him in the water. He pulls him up and asks the drunk, 'Brother have you found Jesus?' The drunk replies, 'No, oi haven't found Jesus.' The preacher shocked at the answer, dunks him into the water again for a little longer. He again pulls him out of the water and asks again, 'Have you found Jesus me brother?' The drunk again answers, 'No,oi I haven't found Jesus.' By this time the preacher is at his wits end and dunks the drunk in the water again but this time holds him down for about 30 seconds and when he begins kicking his arms and legs he pulls him up. The preacher again asks the drunk,' For the love of God have you found Jesus?' The drunk wipes his eyes and catches his breath and says to the preacher, 'Are you sure dis is where he fell in?'

Sorry, but they will.... if one ever cares to look at the birds in nature, at what time they are about, then yours will up and flying too. Indeed earlier, because they want to get home. Whatever disturbs them , milk man, a lover nipping out quick will set them up and aaway.