Thanks for the reply Geordie time is a big issue early part of the race season as its dark when I leave and dark when I get home! But I have to travel 20miles to work which is about on the flight line and its light by the time I've got half way to work so I thought about flying natural as its not costing me anything to train! I know widow cocks will take some beating but would a team of 26 be big enough to fly the channel that's my doubts mate