Ok thanks for information ,trying to put together distance stock team I have 2 pairs DK cheq from Bob MacDonald Fraserburgh 2 Kenyon Cocks and to cross on with them 2 hens Gust Taveirne &Frans Rigole for 1, and De Rauw Sablon for the other ,so will leave it at that for the moment i think,That will give me 4 pair.