My oldest is 12 yr old vandenabelle cock I call the McLeod , he can hardly walk and is struggling to hold on to his top box now but I won't let anyone kick him out no matter what they have done ,in the early years he bred 5 separate 1st fed winners and loads of other good birds but I only take a couple out him now as I don't compete in club races ,if he had been owned by a better fancier he would be a super star . Can you tell he is my favorite lol