Observation

[William Reid]

Well going to ask what fanciers think. Got 32 pigeons a few weeks ago from a fancier who had to give them up . As of last Saturday I've managed to break 31 of the 32 birds with one going missing. Had 24 of the birds going in and out on the Wednesday. On the Saturday 23/7 at 8.10 got six of the birds land on the house roof . Watched them for over one and half hours they never moved until I got my first bird from the race LOL. Anyway to cut a long story short 2 of the six birds where regurgiteteing / being sick although I had not given them any feed from the Wednesday .

Long post for a point .

Young birds throwing up would you say it is the start of YBS . .

[William Reid]

Well going to ask what fanciers think. Got 32 pigeons a few weeks ago from a fancier who had to give them up . As of last Saturday I've managed to break 31 of the 32 birds with one going missing. Had 24 of the birds going in and out on the Wednesday. On the Saturday 23/7 at 8.10 got six of the birds land on the house roof . Watched them for over one and half hours they never moved until I got my first bird from the race LOL. Anyway to cut a long story short 2 of the six birds where regurgiteteing / being sick although I had not given them any feed from the Wednesday .

Long post for a point .

Young birds throwing up would you say it is the start of YBS . .

 

Ps. Regurgitating

[William Reid]

Oops should have added had to go to work so left the trap open and the 31st bird had entered the loft later on that day . Got home from work that night and mixed up some billy boost for the next day as I knew it would be needed . . On the Sunday morning I had 13 of the Y / B throwing their crop about when eating. .

 

 

WHAT WOULD YOU TREAT FOR

[tommy bhoys]

Oops should have added had to go to work so left the trap open and the 31st bird had entered the loft later on that day . Got home from work that night and mixed up some billy boost for the next day as I knew it would be needed . . On the Sunday morning I had 13 of the Y / B throwing their crop about when eating. .

 

 

WHAT WOULD YOU TREAT FOR

canker

[William Reid]

canker

. .

 

Three days on billys boost problem sorted

[Delboy]

Y.B.S . Vetramox in water and Botanicals on feed.OR Nifuramycin in water but its hard to get now.

Edited August 1, 2016 by Delboy

[blue pied]

Y.B.S . Vetramox in water and Botanicals on feed.OR Nifuramycin in water but its hard to get now.

Merca systems mate, can get nifuramycin, never used it but seen it on there yesterday

[DJWa]

Y.B.S . Vetramox in water and Botanicals on feed.OR Nifuramycin in water but its hard to get now.

 

how many days do you put them on nifuramycin derek

[hotrod]

if YBS is a virus why do you treat with antibiotics delboy ?

[Cliftonlad]

Nifuramycin 5 to 6 days treatment Davie.

[DJWa]

Nifuramycin 5 to 6 days treatment Davie.

 

cheers alec

[Roland]

Every loft carries some kind of ailment ( for want of a better word) where in their loft they are immune. Newbies of course will become affective and show signs. They usually also become immune... as will all youngsters late bred in that loft.

How much a bird is affected is usually down to how strong their constitution is.

[Delboy]

if YBS is a virus why do you treat with antibiotics delboy ?

Not treating adenovirus, treating secondary infection , that's what does the damage. Nifuramycin stops the vomitting supposedly

 

You can't treat for a virus, only secondary ailments the virus causes

[William Reid]

Y.B.S . Vetramox in water and Botanicals on feed.OR Nifuramycin in water but its hard to get now.

They had canker Del.

Some people call it YBS others call it travel sickness.

[ally mac]

If you go into loft when its dark and shine a torch on them do they start shaking heads, twitching etc. Read that's a sign of wet canker.

[Delboy]

They had canker Del.

Some people call it YBS others call it travel sickness.

 

First thing to come to mind when vomitting is YBS but I didny know it was a trick question lol, are you sure yer no in the masons lol

 

If you go into loft when its dark and shine a torch on them do they start shaking heads, twitching etc. Read that's a sign of wet canker.

 

That's very true Ally, stretching and yawning action is indicative of wet canker.

[ally mac]

That's very true Ally, stretching and yawning action is indicative of wet canker.

 

Do you think this is enough of a test rather than swabbing back of throat etc? I had it in loft a few years ago, not all the doos but a few, treated with ronidazole. I check them now and again and haven't seen any reaction.

 

From Colin Walker

 

What is wet canker?

 

Everyone who has kept pigeons for several years knows what wet canker is. The yellow material seen in the throat is regarded as the dry form of the disease. As pigeons mature, they develop a natural immunity to the canker organism and as a result their response to the canker organisms is modified. Young pigeons who have not yet developed a natural immunity, if they come under stress or are exposed to large numbers of the organisms, quickly develop a severe infection, with large numbers of the organisms present, and the characteristic yellow material becoming visible. Most young pigeons have a few trichs (canker organisms) in their throats. This is not a problem and in fact can be a benefit. This low-grade, ongoing exposure stimulates the development of a natural immunity in the young growing pigeon. As the pigeon becomes older and its natural immunity rises, it therefore becomes harder and harder for them to develop visible canker. But in pigeons of any age, there are always a few trich organisms present. The numbers tend to rise and fall, principally depending on what stress the birds are under and the level of exposure to the organism. In race baskets, canker organisms quickly spread through the drinker and the race itself provides no end of stress – time away from the loft, altered feeding patterns, exertion, exposure to predation, etc. Because of this, canker organisms fluctuate in the throat throughout the season. Usually nothing is visible to the fancier. In very high levels, the throat might appear a bit red or mucousy but this is very subjective. Often when testing birds with what appear to be good throats, high levels are found and vice versa. Trichomonads are primary parasites, taking nutrition that would otherwise be available to the birds and releasing toxins into their system. As trichomonad levels rise, race performance drops away. Fanciers who try to race teams with high trichomonad levels can expect to win fewer prizes and lose more birds. Birds with elevated trichomonad levels are said to have wet canker.

 

 

 

How to monitor wet canker?

 

By far, the best way to monitor this problem is to have some saliva from the back of the birds throat and top of the crop examined under a microscope. This is a simple test that takes a couple of minutes. Any vet with avian experience can do this for you and I met some very capable vets at Blackpool, including Lizzie Rigby and David Parsons. In Australia, most vets would not charge a consultation fee for this service. Certainly if you go in to a vet’s clinic with sick pigeons that are going to need an investigation that will take time, expect to pay a consultation fee, but in Australia many of our clients bring in a few birds every few weeks for the test (called a crop flush) and also ask to have the birds’ droppings examined (we will talk about this in a later article). In this situation, we just charge for the test, which in Australia is the equivalent of about 8 pounds. We do the test, give the fancier the result, offer some advice about the result, and expect to see them again in about 3 – 4 weeks.

[William Reid]

As requested billys boost. :emoticon-0136-giggle: .

[Novice]

That's very true Ally, stretching and yawning action is indicative of wet canker.

 

Do you think this is enough of a test rather than swabbing back of throat etc? I had it in loft a few years ago, not all the doos but a few, treated with ronidazole. I check them now and again and haven't seen any reaction.

 

From Colin Walker

 

What is wet canker?

 

Everyone who has kept pigeons for several years knows what wet canker is. The yellow material seen in the throat is regarded as the dry form of the disease. As pigeons mature, they develop a natural immunity to the canker organism and as a result their response to the canker organisms is modified. Young pigeons who have not yet developed a natural immunity, if they come under stress or are exposed to large numbers of the organisms, quickly develop a severe infection, with large numbers of the organisms present, and the characteristic yellow material becoming visible. Most young pigeons have a few trichs (canker organisms) in their throats. This is not a problem and in fact can be a benefit. This low-grade, ongoing exposure stimulates the development of a natural immunity in the young growing pigeon. As the pigeon becomes older and its natural immunity rises, it therefore becomes harder and harder for them to develop visible canker. But in pigeons of any age, there are always a few trich organisms present. The numbers tend to rise and fall, principally depending on what stress the birds are under and the level of exposure to the organism. In race baskets, canker organisms quickly spread through the drinker and the race itself provides no end of stress – time away from the loft, altered feeding patterns, exertion, exposure to predation, etc. Because of this, canker organisms fluctuate in the throat throughout the season. Usually nothing is visible to the fancier. In very high levels, the throat might appear a bit red or mucousy but this is very subjective. Often when testing birds with what appear to be good throats, high levels are found and vice versa. Trichomonads are primary parasites, taking nutrition that would otherwise be available to the birds and releasing toxins into their system. As trichomonad levels rise, race performance drops away. Fanciers who try to race teams with high trichomonad levels can expect to win fewer prizes and lose more birds. Birds with elevated trichomonad levels are said to have wet canker.

 

 

 

How to monitor wet canker?

 

By far, the best way to monitor this problem is to have some saliva from the back of the birds throat and top of the crop examined under a microscope. This is a simple test that takes a couple of minutes. Any vet with avian experience can do this for you and I met some very capable vets at Blackpool, including Lizzie Rigby and David Parsons. In Australia, most vets would not charge a consultation fee for this service. Certainly if you go in to a vet’s clinic with sick pigeons that are going to need an investigation that will take time, expect to pay a consultation fee, but in Australia many of our clients bring in a few birds every few weeks for the test (called a crop flush) and also ask to have the birds’ droppings examined (we will talk about this in a later article). In this situation, we just charge for the test, which in Australia is the equivalent of about 8 pounds. We do the test, give the fancier the result, offer some advice about the result, and expect to see them again in about 3 – 4 weeks.

 

From my reading of the above text my understanding is that "wet canker" is caused by the same parasite as dry canker but the term wet is used when a heavy infestation is present.

Am I right or wrong?

[ally mac]

Do you think this is enough of a test rather than swabbing back of throat etc? I had it in loft a few years ago, not all the doos but a few, treated with ronidazole. I check them now and again and haven't seen any reaction.

 

From Colin Walker

 

What is wet canker?

 

Everyone who has kept pigeons for several years knows what wet canker is. The yellow material seen in the throat is regarded as the dry form of the disease. As pigeons mature, they develop a natural immunity to the canker organism and as a result their response to the canker organisms is modified. Young pigeons who have not yet developed a natural immunity, if they come under stress or are exposed to large numbers of the organisms, quickly develop a severe infection, with large numbers of the organisms present, and the characteristic yellow material becoming visible. Most young pigeons have a few trichs (canker organisms) in their throats. This is not a problem and in fact can be a benefit. This low-grade, ongoing exposure stimulates the development of a natural immunity in the young growing pigeon. As the pigeon becomes older and its natural immunity rises, it therefore becomes harder and harder for them to develop visible canker. But in pigeons of any age, there are always a few trich organisms present. The numbers tend to rise and fall, principally depending on what stress the birds are under and the level of exposure to the organism. In race baskets, canker organisms quickly spread through the drinker and the race itself provides no end of stress – time away from the loft, altered feeding patterns, exertion, exposure to predation, etc. Because of this, canker organisms fluctuate in the throat throughout the season. Usually nothing is visible to the fancier. In very high levels, the throat might appear a bit red or mucousy but this is very subjective. Often when testing birds with what appear to be good throats, high levels are found and vice versa. Trichomonads are primary parasites, taking nutrition that would otherwise be available to the birds and releasing toxins into their system. As trichomonad levels rise, race performance drops away. Fanciers who try to race teams with high trichomonad levels can expect to win fewer prizes and lose more birds. Birds with elevated trichomonad levels are said to have wet canker.

 

 

 

How to monitor wet canker?

 

By far, the best way to monitor this problem is to have some saliva from the back of the birds throat and top of the crop examined under a microscope. This is a simple test that takes a couple of minutes. Any vet with avian experience can do this for you and I met some very capable vets at Blackpool, including Lizzie Rigby and David Parsons. In Australia, most vets would not charge a consultation fee for this service. Certainly if you go in to a vet’s clinic with sick pigeons that are going to need an investigation that will take time, expect to pay a consultation fee, but in Australia many of our clients bring in a few birds every few weeks for the test (called a crop flush) and also ask to have the birds’ droppings examined (we will talk about this in a later article). In this situation, we just charge for the test, which in Australia is the equivalent of about 8 pounds. We do the test, give the fancier the result, offer some advice about the result, and expect to see them again in about 3 – 4 weeks.

 

From my reading of the above text my understanding is that "wet canker" is caused by the same parasite as dry canker but the term wet is used when a heavy infestation is present.

Am I right or wrong?

 

I read it the other way round Robert, need to do a bit more digging I think.