dal2 Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 This has got very little to do with ETS and a hellava lot to do with people not doing what they are supposed to be doing. Any organisation that allows someone to race mark there own pigeons is leaving there selves open to these cheats, it's not the fault of whatever system was in use, it's down to the Human factor not doing the job they are supposed to do. And also the fact that you got all this information on what time you need to time right here on your fone cos everyone wants to know what time your in, JMODamn right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbar Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 No one said it was the baskets. Regardless of how the man cheated he should be jailed for fraud I would rather not keep doos than resort to being as low as having to cheat.100% agree with u .jail the cheating b*****d😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deveron Lad Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 The national should be getting the police involved to prosecute this cheat and this will send a clear signal to all that this behavior will not be tolerated ( if you were to steal£6000 from anywhere else you would be prosecuted so why not him) the fancy needs to be seen to have fair racing to encourage new members as it is a dying sport. So come on the national get him prosecuted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally mac Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 The national should be getting the police involved to prosecute this cheat and this will send a clear signal to all that this behavior will not be tolerated ( if you were to steal£6000 from anywhere else you would be prosecuted so why not him) the fancy needs to be seen to have fair racing to encourage new members as it is a dying sport. So come on the national get him prosecuted Call it theft , fraud, embezlment or whatever he should be prosecuted like you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian McKay Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 This has got very little to do with ETS and a hellava lot to do with people not doing what they are supposed to be doing. Any organisation that allows someone to race mark there own pigeons is leaving there selves open to these cheats, it's not the fault of whatever system was in use, it's down to the Human factor not doing the job they are supposed to do. And also the fact that you got all this information on what time you need to time right here on your fone cos everyone wants to know what time your in, JMO I do not think he was race "marking his own birds at the station" That would have been to obvious, it was the ones he did at home then swapped the race sheets over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avante Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 What is the procedure with different organisations? The UNC has 4 entry copies printed for combine races. Three are each signed by 3 different people, one copy for the transporter (UNC), one for the club, one for the fed secretary and the fourth for the sender as their record at race marking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 I was always of the belief you required an accomplace to cheat with ETS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian McKay Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 You can get a pigeon out of the Geraldy crates no problem after it is sealed well the crates our fed has you can not that I would think that anyone up here would do it. It can be done. Robbie you can get a doo out of any crate after it has left the last club No one checks the seals at any time during the travel time or at race point but in this case this is not in question the manipulation appears to have taken place BEFORE any race marking station was in progress I visited a large club in Florida and we could all learn from the way they run there marking station but hey we are speaking about professionals who run things like clock work as far as I have seen we are just playing at it and have to many preconceived ideas and are not open to change and most just want to race there doos and let the few do the work I was always of the belief you required an accomplace to cheat with ETS. WRONG Peter :emoticon-0136-giggle: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian McKay Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 The national should be getting the police involved to prosecute this cheat and this will send a clear signal to all that this behavior will not be tolerated ( if you were to steal£6000 from anywhere else you would be prosecuted so why not him) the fancy needs to be seen to have fair racing to encourage new members as it is a dying sport. So come on the national get him prosecuted I doubt this will happen as the Officials have a lot to answer for a good solicitor will have a hey day with there security and lack of leadership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter pandy Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 I am just a thick auld cnut who cannot see the wood for the trees. We have everything from print outs, Two clocks, two differing registration numbers, Naw,, all the clock experts on here that have in all probability never set any kind of pigeon clock in their lives sudenly become instrument technicians.Why do we not wait for the outcome af the enquiry which will surely take place by the RPRA or the NFC. JMO.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbar Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 It,ll all come out in the wash peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 (edited) I am just a thick auld cnut who cannot see the wood for the trees. We have everything from print outs, Two clocks, two differing registration numbers, Naw,, all the clock experts on here that have in all probability never set any kind of pigeon clock in their lives sudenly become instrument technicians.Why do we not wait for the outcome af the enquiry which will surely take place by the RPRA or the NFC. JMO... Edited July 30, 2016 by geordie1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenbar Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 I wonder if he,s racing his young birds.mind u no need to train ,the birds never leave the loft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dal2 Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 I wonder if he,s racing his young birds.mind u no need to train ,the birds never leave the loft.I see the rpra olr has removed his name from his entries I am just a thick auld cnut who cannot see the wood for the trees. We have everything from print outs, Two clocks, two differing registration numbers, Naw,, all the clock experts on here that have in all probability never set any kind of pigeon clock in their lives sudenly become instrument technicians.Why do we not wait for the outcome af the enquiry which will surely take place by the RPRA or the NFC. JMO..Am an instrument technician lol.......or close.......any gumbo could set an ets clock......even you mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showman Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Did he win a car for this race ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian McKay Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Did he win a car for this race ? No he did not phone in the bird clocked at night which I think was his downfall The race was won on the day by someone else who has not had the proper credit because of this sheit :emoticon-0179-headbang: t The race was won by MR. M K LOCKE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie1234 Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 No he did not phone in the bird clocked at night which I think was his downfall The race was won on the day by someone else who has not had the proper credit because of this sheit :emoticon-0179-headbang: t The race was won by MR. M K LOCKE711 MILES I think Outstanding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter swanston Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 We can talk and discuss all we want about clocking systems and the alleged deficiencies and loopholes in the various methods but at the end of the day what we we appear to have here is a situation where a prominent figure in pigeon racing is proved by his own admission to be fundamentally dishonest.I don't know how others feel it the whole scene fills me with despair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 I wonder if he,s racing his young birds.mind u no need to train ,the birds never leave the loft. Astoundingly he turned up at his club last night with ybs, I don't know what happened after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter swanston Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Yeah I know what should have happened!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarg Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 The BBC aren't putting any times or names up on the early lib page now, just putting up 16 pigeons from 6 sections. No doubt a because of this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froog Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Astoundingly he turned up at his club last night with ybs, I don't know what happened after that.Don't believe even that cheating Cnut would be bold enough to do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 Don't believe even that cheating Cnut would be bold enough to do that A fact m8, deffo appeared at club expletive remove unreal eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingziemckay Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 what a brass neck turning up to his club with ybs after this happend,what an A HOLE,,,am sure it was ok tho,and he was aloud to send them,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bernie_don Posted July 30, 2016 Report Share Posted July 30, 2016 surly this has got to be addressed at the highest level. including our patron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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