Paramoxo Vaccine , Why ?

[lanarkshire lad]

Is paramyxo still a notifiable disease?

[Roland]

Is paramyxo still a notifiable disease?

 

Yes.

[eastcoaster]

I think there's a lot of confusion about the only Paramyxovirus vaccines authorised for use in the UK. Nobilis and Colombovac are both dead vaccines and their correct use can't give the birds Paramyxo. The leaflets are quite clear - do not use on unhealthy pigeons, do not mix with another veterinary medical product, and a SINGLE dose (0.25ml and 0.20 ml respectively) provides immunity for ONE Year. Following vaccination avoid contact with birds from OTHER lofts for at least 14 days.

 

These are the manufacturers' instructions and this is what your race sheet tells you you MUST follow. If you don't, then you haven't followed your Union's instructions or the Manufacturers' and your birds are considered NOT to have been vaccinated. NOT vaccinated means not only you don't get to race, but the DEFRA General Race Licence that lets us all race subject to certain conditions being met (including vaccinated for Paramyxo in accordance with Manufacturers' instructions) risks being revoked and if that happens nobody in the UK gets to race.

 

I think there's a lot of confusion about the only Paramyxovirus vaccines authorised for use in the UK. Nobilis and Colombovac are both dead vaccines and their correct use can't give the birds Paramyxo. Their leaflets are quite clear - do not use on unhealthy pigeons, do not mix with another veterinary medical product, and a SINGLE dose (0.25ml and 0.20 ml respectively) provides immunity for ONE Year. Following vaccination avoid contact with birds from OTHER lofts for at least 14 days.

 

These are the manufacturers' instructions and this is what your race sheet tells you you MUST follow. If you don't, then you haven't followed your Union's instructions or the Manufacturers' and your birds are considered NOT to have been vaccinated. NOT vaccinated means not only you don't get to race, but the DEFRA General Race Licence that lets us all race subject to certain conditions being met (including vaccinated for Paramyxo in accordance with Manufacturers' instructions) risks being revoked and if that happens nobody in the UK gets to race.

This is my point and reason for post , if the vaccine is for 12 months why and how do our birds get it ? There has to be something wrong with the vaccine if it is not protecting them and someone should be finding out why .

If it's a dead vaccine how can you pass it on to others .

[Roland]

Personally I believe - rightly or wrongly - that a dead vaccine is useless and not very effective, may be wrong, -(I thought I was wrong once... turns out I was wrong in thinking I was wrong lol).

 

Mind I know, as many more on here know, that many, indeed too many don't eject. Hence maybe this is also a large % of why.

 

Think like this belief in Live Yogurt. By the time it get on the shell it would be dead... If dead, then no flipping good! If dead....! Maybe good for another reason, maybe like it gives the bird a shine of good health, true or false.

Likewise with Pro Bacteria etc. - Arte we plonking rubbish into our birds willy - nilly to make money for unscrupulous . Is it no more than a good feel factor, and because a 'Name' get paid to advertise it!

 

Now like Polio - the most successful vaccine out side of Small Pox, When thought it was irradiated, and stopped being given, it raised it's ugly head with a vengeance!

 

So I believe many are to blame in not giving their' birds the jab each year, which only serves to strengthen Parra...

[Roland]

Remember like giving a dog Parva injections ... Mongrels carry it without any ill affects ... passing it onto 'Pedigrees' that jabbing makes no difference. If a 'Pedigree dog' gets it then most like high bills and then a very large % die.

[DJWa]

Well said hotrod.walters tonic does work

 

did walters birds not contract it last year

while using his own tonic

[geordie1234]

If vaccinated birds can still get it then as Colin says wtf are we spending money vaccinating them

 

Edited July 21, 2016 by geordie1234

[Roland]

If vaccinated birds can still get it then as Colin says wtf are we spending money vaccinating them

 

 

Because a pigeon with good constitution is able to fight it and win . Crap / incest and those kept and treated away from the normal can't!

Yes they may well be carriers not effected ... Hence in the baskets sharing water poorly kept and amazingly sanctioned those go down with it ... and their off spring etc. etc.

So best if one has trouble time again is to look at the constitution of their birds and act accordingly.

 

Indeed MOST birds will still get it, only those not up to par are affected etc. So it pays to inject good constitution birds as they carry, but are able to over come and not even show any ailments even.

[kingziemckay]

never vaccinate ill pigeons,this will cause a pigeon to become even more ill,and the pigeon wont get enough power to build up a strong immunity against the disease you have vaccinated for,this means the vaccine wont work properly,never vaccinate during an important period,such as racing,breeding,moulting,make sure there is a interval of minimum of 1 month between the date of vaccination and the start of the period,

 

pigeons thats have been vaccinated,should have no contact with other pigeons for a period of 14days,

 

quoted from a vet,

[geordie1234]

did walters birds not contract it last year

while using his own tonic

I'm sure he said Defra where at his house bt no idea why

[peter pandy]

When I went to work for C.J. the stock birds had all the symptoms that Colin has mentioned and the MAFF were informed as we were sure it was Para and the lofts were quaranteened with samples taken away including dead birds.

The results were given a couple of days later that their was no Para but they would or could not tell us what they had contracted.

Personally it was missuse of antibiotics by the previous Loft Manager.