Condition For Racing !

[philg50]

I have had doos a few years now again 4 but i certainly dont profess to know it all ,i am trying to race natural but in my opinion my doos are not in proper condition when i am ready to basket them for the race ,there is no shortage of feed ,they have been treated for all usual ailements ,worms ,canker,coccidiosis ,but they feel thin ,they exercise at home great ,they tossed ok ,i ended with 9 home from 10 away on Sat and lets say i know where the other went ,the breast bones feel thin ,am i looking for something thats not the make up of these birds ,and another thing they are late home ,suggestions ???

[andy Burgess]

I have had doos a few years now again 4 but i certainly dont profess to know it all ,i am trying to race natural but in my opinion my doos are not in proper condition when i am ready to basket them for the race ,there is no shortage of feed ,they have been treated for all usual ailements ,worms ,canker,coccidiosis ,but they feel thin ,they exercise at home great ,they tossed ok ,i ended with 9 home from 10 away on Sat and lets say i know where the other went ,the breast bones feel thin ,am i looking for something thats not the make up of these birds ,and another thing they are late home ,suggestions ???

 

if someone told me they knew it all i would be less likely to listen to them . what age are they , what have you been feeding and how much . how much excercise at home for how long . youve treated for all ailments ? when , why , how far apart , and what else did or have you given them ??

[Tony C]

I would up the maize content in their feed as this artic blast we've had is using up a lot of their energy just to keep warm. Also I would get their droppings tested.

[philg50]

Mr burgess,i have 2 x3yr olds ,10 x2yr olds ,13 yearlings ,and a few stock doos none of them been hard pushed in my opinion ,i have tried to work with a small number since coming back 4yr ago ,my feed is Sat,Sun,Mon,versa/laga All Round + 20% barley ---- Tues,Wed,Versa/laga All Round ----- Thur,Fri,Bucktons Super Racing , I feed this at a rate of 1 1/2oz per day per bird except thur+Friday they get all they eat , I treated for canker ,coccidiosis ,worms 2 month ago ,vaccinated Feb,so what do you think ,my doos look ok but just dont please on the handling .

[Guest bigda]

Mr burgess,i have 2 x3yr olds ,10 x2yr olds ,13 yearlings ,and a few stock doos none of them been hard pushed in my opinion ,i have tried to work with a small number since coming back 4yr ago ,my feed is Sat,Sun,Mon,versa/laga All Round + 20% barley ---- Tues,Wed,Versa/laga All Round ----- Thur,Fri,Bucktons Super Racing , I feed this at a rate of 1 1/2oz per day per bird except thur+Friday they get all they eat , I treated for canker ,coccidiosis ,worms 2 month ago ,vaccinated Feb,so what do you think ,my doos look ok but just dont please on the handling .

 

Your wormer might not be doing its job or there is a secondary hatch of. Worms since you. Last. Done. Them

[kingziemckay]

what wormer you using??

 

atb

[philg50]

what wormer you using??

 

atb

Harkers

[andy Burgess]

i would say your feeding is fine Phil for your location and getting your birds to home from a race. i know its not always easy for you to get out to the loft ,, yet i would watch them feeding , which seed is getting cleared first ? i am fairly sure it will be the maize ,as Tony has said look to add some to your feed if thats the case . Gerry + would be ok to replace some V/L best all round for the race birds i.m.o. . Bigda has a point about the worm treatment , did you give a secondary dose ? do you give multi-vitamins in any form ? i would also (myself) have treated for canker for a few days at least every 3 to 4 weeks . i am no expert Phil , these are only my opinions , not always easy when we cant see and handle them first hand .

[kingziemckay]

Harkers

 

 

whats the dropings like?

 

atb

[dal2]

Change the system

[novo10]

Change the system

Correct the pigeons are not motivated enough

[peter pandy]

If you feel you wish to continue with V/L it might be better being nearer the Artic Circle to give them Start + with it having a higher protein content every day allowing them to muscle up. Maize wont put muscle on the keel !! OMO

[philg50]

Well i am nae going to change my system ,i am going to think about motivation ,i am going to worm any that are thin ( in my opinion ) and leave at home this weekend ,i am going to send for a test kit ,and up the protein and fats ,so thanks for your reply's we will see if they improve.

[dal2]

Well i am nae going to change my system ,i am going to think about motivation ,i am going to worm any that are thin ( in my opinion ) and leave at home this weekend ,i am going to send for a test kit ,and up the protein and fats ,so thanks for your reply's we will see if they improve.

Why are ye dead set on the system?

[grdkeith]

Could you have mice?

[andy Burgess]

Well i am nae going to change my system ,i am going to think about motivation ,i am going to worm any that are thin ( in my opinion ) and leave at home this weekend ,i am going to send for a test kit ,and up the protein and fats ,so thanks for your reply's we will see if they improve.

 

best of luck Phil , keep us posted

[Tony C]

http://downloads.versele-laga.com/flipbuilder/wegwijzereng/index.html#p=56

 

VL Allrounder has 45% peas in the mix IMO upping the protein will just compound the problem.

[philg50]

Could you have mice?

The only mouse i have seen i caught out side loft last week and found out it was a shrew ,and i see all the floor of the dookit so i can say absolutely none in there.

[grdkeith]

The only mouse i have seen i caught out side loft last week and found out it was a shrew ,and i see all the floor of the dookit so i can say absolutely none in there.

 

Good!! Considering we have only done 2x60 mile races I would doubt feeding or motivation would be major factors given that you are feeding quality mixes

[Old_Strain_Lover]

Have you spread the breast feathers near the keel and looked at the color of the flesh/skin? It should be a nice rosey pinkish color in a healthy bird. You don't want to see a somewhat darkish blue/purple color.

[philg50]

http://downloads.versele-laga.com/flipbuilder/wegwijzereng/index.html#p=56

 

VL Allrounder has 45% peas in the mix IMO upping the protein will just compound the problem.

I can see that after checking out contents of mixture.