Ets Timing & Location Of Pads / Sensors At Loft

[Guest johnhunter]

as someone has already stated the ets has been here for 15 years so surely everyone knows the rules

[JohnQuinn]

The thread isnae about what you's Think counts, nothing to do with opinions. That's what stinks about this and other sports, eg.. If a referee blows for a penalty its aw wanafek whit the players think, it's a penalty end of.

If I ever have to verify pigeons again and the pad isnae inside the loft I will recommend disqualification of fancier and bird, then the fancier can come in front of the committee and explain why he should be exempt fae following the rules like everybody else does. Rules are Rules no opinions.

[Guest johnhunter]

The thread isnae about what you's Think counts, nothing to do with opinions. That's what stinks about this and other sports, eg.. If a referee blows for a penalty its aw wanafek whit the players think, it's a penalty end of.

If I ever have to verify pigeons again and the pad isnae inside the loft I will recommend disqualification of fancier and bird, then the fancier can come in front of the committee and explain why he should be exempt fae following the rules like everybody else does. Rules are Rules no opinions.

john what is the point of having a forum if you cannot voice your opinion,and john have you ever verified a winning pigeon where the pad was outside the loft ???

[Guest bigda]

Mine is just over the threshold Davie, imo the doo disnae need to be captured or confined it just has to enter the loft. Ma lot often enter then come back out again and I don't see how that could be an issue.

 

How close could the bird be before the ets could be picked up as I see it is capable of radiating through 1/2. Plywood is it able to be picked up on the borderline of the. Trap area of the shed.

[JohnQuinn]

How close could the bird be before the ets could be picked up as I see it is capable of radiating through 1/2. Plywood is it able to be picked up on the borderline of the. Trap area of the shed.

 

No Danny it has to be within that half inch to register the doo. Have known birds NOT timed after crossing the pad but never have I heard of any registering just because it's in the vicinity of the pad,

[JohnQuinn]

john what is the point of having a forum if you cannot voice your opinion,and john have you ever verified a winning pigeon where the pad was outside the loft ???

 

Never seen a misplaced pad and a verified loadsa Doos.

 

Am no saying anything about ppl no allowed an opinion, Rules are no about opinions they're steadfast and must be followed Exactly. Only ppl arguing the point are those who's conscience has been disturbed because their pads are in a trap. Traps are an accessory fanciers choose to use and regardless of how they are fixed to the OUTSIDE facing of a loft they're an addition not part of the loft itself.

[geordie1234]

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Edited April 5, 2016 by geordie1234

[billt]

Never seen a misplaced pad and a verified loadsa Doos.

 

Am no saying anything about ppl no allowed an opinion, Rules are no about opinions they're steadfast and must be followed Exactly. Only ppl arguing the point are those who's conscience has been disturbed because their pads are in a trap. Traps are an accessory fanciers choose to use and regardless of how they are fixed to the OUTSIDE facing of a loft they're an addition not part of the loft itself.

 

John I am still wondering if your post is a wind up, if not it is a complete nonsense to say a trap outside of the front face of a loft is not part of the loft, what legislation are you taking that from? As I said previously, I have never seen rules regarding the shape of a loft, anything I or anyone else attaches to their loft in whatever shape or form will be "The Loft", It is entirely up to the individual fancier what dimension or shape his fitments are.

Not living in Scotland I don't have an axe to grind but I would be concerned allowing ETS rings to register without the pigeon being trapped.

[Delboy]

I've always said pads should be inside the loft , or bobs ,mines are fitted to underside of floor of hand made sputniks the birds land on small board and drop through holes into trap and land on the floor of trap thus clocking in . If it were fitted to under side of landing board then as soon as bird lands its clocked in ,it's a no no for me and breaking rules and is disgraceful ,can't get this ,if you disqualify me I will take you to court ,this is bully boy tactics , in any club race you must have rules and these rule must be adhered to . End of .

 

The sputnik isn't inside the loft Stu so your pads aren't inside the loft. I know im talking pis h here m8 and this is a crazy subject but if the pads have to be inside the loft and not a trap or sputnik attached to the loft then im afraid 99% of ets users are fk d, including yersel lol.

[billt]

The sputnik isn't inside the loft Stu so your pads aren't inside the loft. I know im talking pis h here m8 and this is a crazy subject but if the pads have to be inside the loft and not a trap or sputnik attached to the loft then im afraid 99% of ets users are fk d, including yersel lol.

 

You're right there Del, I don't think we need lose any sleep over this one

[mosslands1]

why worry where the pad is as when you get your loft location pricked on a map they only guarantee to be within 80 feet . get your mobile and check your loft location mine is 100 yards out whats everyones elses

[andy Burgess]

why worry where the pad is as when you get your loft location pricked on a map they only guarantee to be within 80 feet . get your mobile and check your loft location mine is 100 yards out whats everyones elses

 

accurate here , done by G.P.S at the loft Pete, most Scottish lofts are now.

[Bobby4]

The sputnik isn't inside the loft Stu so your pads aren't inside the loft. I know im talking pis h here m8 and this is a crazy subject but if the pads have to be inside the loft and not a trap or sputnik attached to the loft then im afraid 99% of ets users are fk d, including yersel lol.

What was the case when the bird dropped into the Sputnik an you took the rubber off it's leg an put it in clock is that inside the shed an if not we have been doing it wrong for a very long time .

[Big Davie]

Guys

 

When I started this thread I knew it was a sensitive topic and would be controversial, the intention was to get members thinking and debating the matter with a view to raising awareness of what the SHU rules actually are regards timing arrivals with ETS.

 

We now know that that rule 22 has been deleted ( pads need to be numbered and sealed in position ) and that the rules still in force are rule 2, ETS timing systems MUST be fitted within the loft, rule 9, ETS can only record the arrival time AFTER the pigeon has entered the loft, and the likely meaning / interpretation of this, and rule 8, officials of the race organiser have the right to inspect the trapping system used where in respect of this last rule the SNFC have announced a reminder on there website that random checks could be carried which could result in disqualification, the random checking of the trapping system where ETS is in use is not exclusive to the SNFC but could be carried out by any race organiser be that federation or club with the same outcome, disqualification, should a breach of the SHU rules be found.

 

A lot of members have voiced there personal opinions on what they think the rules should be which they are entitled to do and where this is good and all adds to this debate, however, should a case ever be raised that ends up in front of a race organiser committee then personal views on the rules will have no influence on the decision making process as any judgement or decision made will be based on the SHU rules as they currently stand, that's what rules are for, they are there to protect all members from any malpractice and to ensure fairness, this applies to all rules which govern our sport, not only ETS.

 

As I said above I posted this topic to raise awareness where with approx 4,500 views and 110 replies I have achieved what I wanted to do as every member who has read this thread now has a better understanding of what the current rules are and the possible consequences should anyone be found to be timing birds that don't comply with them.

 

Dont allow yourself to be the person who gets an unannounced visit and falls foul of these rules as any blame in respect of this would be of your own making and lie with you and you only, enjoy your 2016 season where I wish you all the best of luck

[Walter swanston]

Yeah right in the unlikely event of me winning any kind of pigeon race and in the even more unlikely event of any apparatchik turning up here to challenge the position of my ETS system well good luck to them I will know and everyone else will know that the fancier who gets the result is really second but as I only fly pigeons for fun I really don't care and as I have already said rules are for the guidance of the wise and the obedience of the foolish.

[Big Davie]

Yeah right in the unlikely event of me winning any kind of pigeon race and in the even more unlikely event of any apparatchik turning up here to challenge the position of my ETS system well good luck to them I will know and everyone else will know that the fancier who gets the result is really second but as I only fly pigeons for fun I really don't care and as I have already said rules are for the guidance of the wise and the obedience of the foolish.

Ok Walter, maybe better to just do away with all of the rules, then we can all do whatever we want and no one will bother, if you believe that then you're deluded

[Walter swanston]

Yes well I am sorry that you think I am deluded Davie but my position remains the same ,it's extremely simple,if a pigeon is home it's home and that's it so far as I am concerned and if someone subsequently disqualifies my winner I genuinely could not care less I will always know I won and so will everybody else.

[Guest johnhunter]

Yes well I am sorry that you think I am deluded Davie but my position remains the same ,it's extremely simple,if a pigeon is home it's home and that's it so far as I am concerned and if someone subsequently disqualifies my winner I genuinely could not care less I will always know I won and so will everybody else.

walter it aint home till it is in the loft,simples

[Kyleakin Lofts]

SHU Delegates take note and if the rule needs clarified further, then so do.

[William Reid]

Guys

 

When I started this thread I knew it was a sensitive topic and would be controversial, the intention was to get members thinking and debating the matter with a view to raising awareness of what the SHU rules actually are regards timing arrivals with ETS.

 

We now know that that rule 22 has been deleted ( pads need to be numbered and sealed in position ) and that the rules still in force are rule 2, ETS timing systems MUST be fitted within the loft, rule 9, ETS can only record the arrival time AFTER the pigeon has entered the loft, and the likely meaning / interpretation of this, and rule 8, officials of the race organiser have the right to inspect the trapping system used where in respect of this last rule the SNFC have announced a reminder on there website that random checks could be carried which could result in disqualification, the random checking of the trapping system where ETS is in use is not exclusive to the SNFC but could be carried out by any race organiser be that federation or club with the same outcome, disqualification, should a breach of the SHU rules be found.

 

A lot of members have voiced there personal opinions on what they think the rules should be which they are entitled to do and where this is good and all adds to this debate, however, should a case ever be raised that ends up in front of a race organiser committee then personal views on the rules will have no influence on the decision making process as any judgement or decision made will be based on the SHU rules as they currently stand, that's what rules are for, they are there to protect all members from any malpractice and to ensure fairness, this applies to all rules which govern our sport, not only ETS.

 

As I said above I posted this topic to raise awareness where with approx 4,500 views and 110 replies I have achieved what I wanted to do as every member who has read this thread now has a better understanding of what the current rules are and the possible consequences should anyone be found to be timing birds that don't comply with them.

 

Dont allow yourself to be the person who gets an unannounced visit and falls foul of these rules as any blame in respect of this would be of your own making and lie with you and you only, enjoy your 2016 season where I wish you all the best of luck

Ok Davie I'm going to put the cat amongst the pigeons now due to guys like yir self that know all the rules I have two ets systems active at my loft .

[paddymac]

why worry where the pad is as when you get your loft location pricked on a map they only guarantee to be within 80 feet . get your mobile and check your loft location mine is 100 yards out whats everyones elses

Mine is about 1/4 mile LOL

[William Reid]

expletive remove what is going on with this site again tried to use my edit function to add PS only to get this again .

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[Big Davie]

Yes well I am sorry that you think I am deluded Davie but my position remains the same ,it's extremely simple,if a pigeon is home it's home and that's it so far as I am concerned and if someone subsequently disqualifies my winner I genuinely could not care less I will always know I won and so will everybody else.

Walter, sorry, I try not to get personal with my comments but couldn't help myself with the version of Winston Churchills rules which for me don't apply in the context of this debate, I've already stated why rules are needed and have also said I have some empathy with some of your comments, I'm really not a bad guy, also spare a thought for the man who could have taken the top position after timing legally but didn't due to a bird being timed elsewhere on a system that did not comply with the rules

[Big Davie]

Ok Davie I'm going to put the cat amongst the pigeons now due to guys like yir self that know all the rules I have two ets systems active at my loft .

Billy

 

I certainly don't know all of the rules and have never professed that I do, never heard this one before, when you say you have two active systems at your loft do you mean both active and in use at the same time for the same race or are we talking about 2 pocket clocks ?? You will have to clarify what you mean, I probably won't be able to answer you but pretty sure you will get a load of opinions

[William Reid]

Billy

 

I certainly don't know all of the rules and have never professed that I do, never heard this one before, when you say you have two active systems at your loft do you mean both active and in use at the same time for the same race or are we talking about 2 pocket clocks ?? You will have to clarify what you mean, I probably won't be able to answer you but pretty sure you will get a load of opinions

Davie when I first started in the pigeon game yir self and a few other guys in the Blantyre club used to leave my jaw dropped with the knowledge all you old guys had .

 

To cut a long story short I have two ets systems at my loft . I have two Sputnik traps with pads underneath the landing board which only record on the one system as trainers. And one customised trap which the race birds and the other ets system has been raced marked . Why I hear you ask . Because I now work $hity shift and depend on family and friends to open the race trap . I cannot leave the trap open due to cats . Hence the two systems. Only wish that one day I can have one system used to its full potential. Again it's all down to trust