Natural

[peter pandy]

Now the festive season is behind us and thought's are moving on with the onset of Blackpool which I will give a miss this year for personal reasons. To all those enquiring if all is O.K. Naw its no, but I will soldier on..

When up at Clarkston Show it was pointed out to me that one or two had feather lice which nearly had me dipping them all but I sat down and contemplated what I was about to administer, I know in the past I would be dipping them in Chlorocarb or powdering them but is that the way forward ?. If I dip them then the bird will obviously preen itself and subject itself to the substance likewise if powdering them, If using "One Spot" then surely it must be affecting Kidneys,Liver,Blood and Heart if it supposedly Worms them as well. Many years past and the loft would have been sprayed with Duramitex and problem was solved, I also used to empty a bottle of Duramitex into one gallon of emulsion and paint the loft, Perches and nest boxes with it !! SO any ideas would be welcomed..with the exception of smoke bombing.. The other day I turned the Hens out and gas burned their section to eradicate and cremate anything in there, Hopefully I will manage another section to-morrow weather permitting..

[andy Burgess]

keep your chin up "auld Peter" enjoying your writings

[unclealbert]

If your no going to use that packet of chlorocarb that you have give it to me FOC of course

[peter pandy]

If your no going to use that packet of chlorocarb that you have give it to me FOC of course

Just because I Press Ganged you into taking the vacant club Secretaries job does not give you the right to ask for freebies nor take advantage of my dotering age albeit being my Brother in Law. You are still ""Him Doon the Street"". ^_^

[tiger]

Just because I Press Ganged you into taking the vacant club Secretaries job does not give you the right to ask for freebies nor take advantage of my dotering age albeit being my Brother in Law. You are still ""Him Doon the Street"". ^_^

 

 

Peter there No chance of you given freebies away to anyone ur tighter than coats of paint

[peter pandy]

Cremation of all loft inmates with the exception of the birds has been completed without the emergency fire equipment coming into play although their were a couple of occasions when flames were licking about where they should not have been. So that's it for another year.

I remember the first time I singed the wood and it gave me a great idea about starting a business. To elaborate..!!.

 

The wife said to me after we had smoke damage due to next door's house being gutted and our Insurance Company repainted and decorated virtually the whole house that she would have prefered larger skirtings and door surrounds, She had me buying larger of the above which I took the burner too in the garage, rubbed down with wire wool and given two coats of Mahogany gloss Varnish wire wooling between coats and it came up with a beautiful pattern with all the knots and grain outstanding.

They say simple ideas are the way to fame and fortune..

[peter pandy]

NATURAL,, What is it really ? Does anyone practice it in its conception ?. I doubt it.

I practiced it once upon a time when I kept the birds in the house attic and never seperated over the Winter with freedom 24 Hours a day through the skylight and they were left to their own devices. They all paired up to-gether and laid within a couple of days in March, Won races, scoring in the Gold Cup and it was a successful couple of seasons, The only drawback was Wee Mary giving me the ultimatum which had me erecting a loft on top off my double garage which was O.K.. Anyway I digress.

Pairing up and the rearing of Youngsters to race in which I have lost all interest in. The amount of problems they are encountering whether man made or the Bassa population has given me the notion and inclination not to rear any, and my thoughts were taken back to a conversation 10 years ago with Bernard De-Weerdt from Kortemark when he and his family spent a couple of days with C.J. at Windy Ridge.

Now I am sure I have informed you of a conversation Bernard and I had regarding their Youngsters whereupon at the end of the season, all his Youngsters were sold, and Late Breds were reared from the Race Team. That was his Yearlings for the following year.

No Young Bird racing means a short season but then it may have it's compensations with a Yearling team of Late Breds that have not had the stuffing knocked out of them. At the moment I have 17 L/B which are Wintering well and am looking forward to the season ahead with them.

Time will tell if its a reasonable notion..

[geordie1234]

International winners the Beasents don't race ybs now either or train for that matter...jst let them range and mature also Paul Swindell in Ireland the same....the buddles don't darken they jst try get them a few trainers over 100 miles..all successful channel lofts...I do think if your into sprinting and fed racing you need the racing etc

 

Looks like I'll be racing natural this year also as I've moved location..I think as soon as I split them for widowhood they will jst sit at the old location

Edited January 17, 2017 by geordie1234

[bluey]

I have five later bred in 2016 that have not yet seen a basket, if training goes well and only one does well racing in 2017 I will be pleased.

[geordie1234]

Tell ye a story actually 2015 I bred a laterbed tht I jst caught the last yb race with think it was weaned July...anyway no training whatsoever and into the last race

... I sent the same pigeon 6 or 7 races as a yearling and then sent it to the gold cup Reims 2016... it was in super condition so I sent him... now we all know how much of a bad race that was...bt the wee cock done it think it was 4 or 5 days canny mind...bt I lost doos that had flown the channel before at that race. The wee cock is full brother to my SHU yb champion which is supposed to be sprint middle distance blood.

 

Yes the pigeon was very young not even a year bt I was always told you got to send your fittest pigeons...hopefully get him this year at it

Edited January 17, 2017 by geordie1234

[geordie1234]

Ps I don't plan on sending yearlings or latebreds in future to the gold cup it was jst one of my experiments or mad moments lol just sharing my experience

[peter pandy]

Thank-you for your input George and I was thinking the Late Breds would satisfy me doing 300 miles this year and your advice on fitness is spot on. We can have the best blood in the world but it means nothing without Fitness regardless of the distance.

[dal2]

Late breds= disappointment

[peter pandy]

Late breds= disappointment

One word summary on Late Breds is disappointing from a top fancier such as yourself. Care to elaborate Steve..

[dal2]

You look at them from the summer they are born and think to yourself.....these are smashing......come round the following season and they are ready for the racing.....your numbers are dwindling because it's inevitable you will loose some regardless of quality (disappointment). You manage to get one or two to maybe 250/300 and you congratulate yourself on a decent effort. The next year those 2 you have left you now think are magic ....well bred.....good effort last year as late breds...but sadly when the heat is on you find the go down too (disappointment). When you look at the percentage that make it from say 10 bred to what stands up you question the logic when you could have bred 10 in the spring? This is just what I find and obviously there will be some good yins found but for me they are best in the stock loft.

[eastcoaster]

You look at them from the summer they are born and think to yourself.....these are smashing......come round the following season and they are ready for the racing.....your numbers are dwindling because it's inevitable you will loose some regardless of quality (disappointment). You manage to get one or two to maybe 250/300 and you congratulate yourself on a decent effort. The next year those 2 you have left you now think are magic ....well bred.....good effort last year as late breds...but sadly when the heat is on you find the go down too (disappointment). When you look at the percentage that make it from say 10 bred to what stands up you question the logic when you could have bred 10 in the spring? This is just what I find and obviously there will be some good yins found but for me they are best in the stock loft.

Think a few continentals put them by untl they are 2yr old then train them , my thought is that late breds are still growing when most of us reduce the proteins and only feed once a day ready for winter so they don,t get the nutrition to mature correctly ,jmo

[Delboy]

Ive looked at this subject for years and the percentages of early bred and late bred ybs that go onto make it across the water doesnt differ. Basically, in laymens terms,they are all doos,equally, regardless of when they are bred lol. Their are two types of doos, good and bad and Im sorry to break the bad news to everyone, most are bad.( especially if ye want distance doos )

[peter pandy]

Virtually all my Late Breds were hatched early July so had long natural daylight hours and were fed on the best breeding mixture following on with Start Plus for all inmates through the Moulting period so I dont believe they could have been reared better.

When reading Steve's reply he could have been describing the fate of early bred youngsters which have to endure racing while moulting and if they are hit with a rain shower are down and lost. I know from experience how the moult can be disastrous within 24 hours with all the cover flights gone. BUT hey ho I have had great results with them "Late Breds" from all distances and feel they are more mature after a Winters season. If its good enough for top men to put their faith in them perhaps we should be taking note..

[geordie1234]

Been reading a wee bit up on the subject

 

The guys in Australia don't race ybs then as yearlings they come out and do 600 miles.

 

I don't know how well trained they are as ybs though...most if not all fanciers race celibate

[peter pandy]

6-8 weeks ago up until the past week I was a happy camper with 24 nest boxes and 24 Cocks with 24 Hens to go in them !! Then the blinking Late Breds decided to upset me and the apple cart by changing sex.. I now have 28 Cocks and 20 Hens with perhaps still the odd Hen deciding to be a Cock.. If I had plenty hair I would tear it out, PLANS !!, you must be kidding..Back to the drawing board ? You must be having a laugh as I dont have one, There were years when I would have the odd one or two but never this amount, With Robbie's birthday to-morrow "Best gan plans" etc poem could not be more appropriate LOL.

Ach, why worry it's just another wee set back that will be rectified by racing celibate until such time as pairing for the Nationals and "him up the road" will rear me a couple of young yins to try out for him.

At our Saturday coffee afternoon with him "doon the Street", "him roond the bend" him "up the road" and myself we discussed the pros and cons of feeding but as usual could not agree the best formula as we are all individual managers of our teams and like "Maggie" none are for turning.

One thing I am sure we can all agree on is This weather is crap.

[peter pandy]

With this computer past its sell by date and too many times getting Diddly Squat out of said machine I am having to replace it, So If anybody has one for a very reasonable price please get in touch.. Tommy Bhoys wont be needing his SO if somebody could pass this message on I would be obliged LOL. Let him back on.

Down in the loft their is not much happening other than having a 2 Y/O bird return from a 70 mile training toss in June last year, The funny thing is it was going the rounds of the local lofts for the past couple of weeks. "Nowt as queer as Doos".

[JohnQuinn]

With this computer past its sell by date and too many times getting Diddly Squat out of said machine I am having to replace it, So If anybody has one for a very reasonable price please get in touch.. Tommy Bhoys wont be needing his SO if somebody could pass this message on I would be obliged LOL. Let him back on.

Down in the loft their is not much happening other than having a 2 Y/O bird return from a 70 mile training toss in June last year, The funny thing is it was going the rounds of the local lofts for the past couple of weeks. "Nowt as queer as Doos".

 

Hope ye never let it have a perch Peter 😯

[unclealbert]

Hope ye never let it have a perch Peter 😯

John its in the stock loft pmsl

[peter pandy]

So him doon the street is having a pop at me will have his neck screwed in to-morrow at the Saturday Café. No the bird was not nutted and will have the opportunity to make amends in the racing season,

Continuing on the Late Bred theme and losses with them leads me to put the following facts to the readers of my efforts, After rearing Late Breds they are hardly on the wing when many fanciers shut down for the Winter never allowing the growing youngster to get on the wing long enough to go running and explore its surroundings nor the ability to build muscle on its frame. Mine are out every consecutive day weather permitting nor are they subjected to a cheap winter feed.

As a proponent of Late Breds I shall not be rearing any Youngsters for racing as I have no Stock Birds now and will breed after Old Bird racing is completed a team for the following year 2018.

The birds I have at the moment for racing are all bred from imports that have never seen the inside of a basket and I have no knowledge if they have the capability to produce the homing instinct in their offspring. Many from certain Stock pairs have been lost so I will in future only breed from birds that have the ability to return from the distance I have planned for them.

Life as a pigeon fancier is so full of disappointments..

[dal2]

Full on mental........untested late breds over spring bred youngsters.....cmon Peter