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[peter pandy]

I dont know if this is what you are looking for so I will try this one !!! Eddie said regarding National racing..

 

45% of the birds competing are not bred for the job..

 

45% are not fit for the distance..

 

SO you are only competing against the 10% that are left..

 

Aye perhaps we are all forgetting {me included} that little snippet.

[JOHNSEE]

I dont know if this is what you are looking for so I will try this one !!! Eddie said regarding National racing..

 

45% of the birds competing are not bred for the job..

 

45% are not fit for the distance..

 

SO you are only competing against the 10% that are left..

 

Aye perhaps we are all forgetting {me included} that little snippet.

 

 

I honestly believe this to be the case,more so now than in years gone.......thanks...JBC/..

[peter pandy]

I can give you another snippet from the past from Robert Cormack [Winchburgh].

 

The introduction of Belgian and Dutch Pigeons "Quote" Will be the DESTRUCTION of the Scottish Long Distance Pigeon..

[JOHNSEE]

I can give you another snippet from the past from Robert Cormack [Winchburgh].

 

The introduction of Belgian and Dutch Pigeons "Quote" Will be the DESTRUCTION of the Scottish Long Distance Pigeon..

 

Thanks for that....I will stop asking questions as they are off topic but thank you.....JBC/..

[dal2]

I honestly believe this to be the case,more so now than in years gone.......thanks...JBC/..

Aye a remember when ye just sent hood old fashioned honest doos and got them hame nae bother frae 500+!!!!!NOT

[peter pandy]

Aye a remember when ye just sent hood old fashioned honest doos and got them hame nae bother frae 500+!!!!!NOT

 

You'r no auld enough Dafty

[peter pandy]

Well the Gold Cup race !!!!!! is timed out and the only thing I personally recieved from it was a headache. I suppose I have to go back to Littlehampton when I never saw my entries again and am off the opinion that along with many others I wont be seeing the Gold Cup entries again either. I said last Thursday to friends enquiring how I thought it would pan out and replied that I would not be surprised if they were brought back home with the weather forecasted for the week-end being disastrously awfull, Thunderstorms etc for Friday plus a heavy front coming in from the Atlantic was never going to be acceptably conjusive to decent returns and my worst fear was when reading the convoyers report on liberation that the birds cleared in a North East direction when they should have headed North West towards the coast.

Anyone who has been reading my posts will know that new distance birds were introduced 4 years ago and had been treated with kid gloves firstly by the roundabout system then as they matured into 2 year olds put into the Natural system. With not having a bird arrive home further than 300 miles I dont know if its the Birds or the System ??.

My management cannot be at fault as I have given them my all in what has been in time and effort so can only blame the last 2 races, organised by the SNFC that I participated in wholeheartedly has seen my birds put into rickety old baskets with hessian disintigrating allowing dust and crap to sift through onto the birds below. I know this for fact as the birds were put in our Midland Fed club baskets and I know what they are like.

Perhaps it is me, Perhaps the birds cannot cut the mustard and I cannot tell because of the losses incurred by fanciers at the top of the tree finding it difficult to get reasonable returns as well..

When the game has to survive in luck more than quality then I will have to wrap it in as lady luck has never found my shoulder to sit on.

P.S. The four I sent were superb in every way with three having thrown two in each wing to-gether and one Hen was refusing to let her Cock onto the nest with her virtually moulded into it.

Sick,Sick,Sick..and sorry for being so negative..

[andy Burgess]

no apology needed for an honest post Peter .

[Ian McKay]

A sad end to almost 500 posts and almost 1/2 a million views so maybe not so sad Peter you have kept us very well informed on you daily routine of the birds it went down very well so pick yourself up dust yourself down and get going again

 

Thanks for the interesting post hope you continue and keep it up :drinking-coffee-200:

[ALF]

Well the Gold Cup race !!!!!! is timed out and the only thing I personally recieved from it was a headache. I suppose I have to go back to Littlehampton when I never saw my entries again and am off the opinion that along with many others I wont be seeing the Gold Cup entries again either. I said last Thursday to friends enquiring how I thought it would pan out and replied that I would not be surprised if they were brought back home with the weather forecasted for the week-end being disastrously awfull, Thunderstorms etc for Friday plus a heavy front coming in from the Atlantic was never going to be acceptably conjusive to decent returns and my worst fear was when reading the convoyers report on liberation that the birds cleared in a North East direction when they should have headed North West towards the coast.

Anyone who has been reading my posts will know that new distance birds were introduced 4 years ago and had been treated with kid gloves firstly by the roundabout system then as they matured into 2 year olds put into the Natural system. With not having a bird arrive home further than 300 miles I dont know if its the Birds or the System ??.

My management cannot be at fault as I have given them my all in what has been in time and effort so can only blame the last 2 races, organised by the SNFC that I participated in wholeheartedly has seen my birds put into rickety old baskets with hessian disintigrating allowing dust and crap to sift through onto the birds below. I know this for fact as the birds were put in our Midland Fed club baskets and I know what they are like.

Perhaps it is me, Perhaps the birds cannot cut the mustard and I cannot tell because of the losses incurred by fanciers at the top of the tree finding it difficult to get reasonable returns as well..

When the game has to survive in luck more than quality then I will have to wrap it in as lady luck has never found my shoulder to sit on.

P.S. The four I sent were superb in every way with three having thrown two in each wing to-gether and one Hen was refusing to let her Cock onto the nest with her virtually moulded into it.

Sick,Sick,Sick..and sorry for being so negative..

Peter tell yer mrs to hide the rope and the knifes in the kitchen pal..

[peter pandy]

Alf, In our house Mary does all the cleaning and cooking and my only job is the dish washing which includes cutlery, so, if I were to spill blood she would kill me for making a mess LOL.

I might give Roye a go in a couple of weeks if I can get the "Grand" up to pace with some 60 milers from Jedburgh.

[peter pandy]

Twenty times maybe more every day I am in my loft and on every occasion I am looking for a bird that has returned from either Littlehampton or Reims and at my last daily visit on Friday night one had returned from Littlehampton. Apart from a few missing feathers from her back she was safe and sound to fight again next season.

I had to give Ancencis and Lylle a miss as there was nothing available with the losses incurred to the team however with one training toss to go on Tuesday I will be sending the "Grand" to Roye. At the moment he has had 60 mile trainers every second day and is shaping up well with his new tail and what is so good about him is at every toss he has been to, he hits the landing board and pirouettes cooing for a couple of minutes to let me know how clever he is.

14 days ago a 2 year old Hen that I fancied hatched an egg and the following day her wattle was slightly yellow and went worse with every passing day, It got to the stage where it was brown and I imagined the rest of the team were going the same way and decided to put her down as it was starting to go a deep brown with traces of black through it and looked extremely contagous although her chick seemed healthy and no others showed signs of whatever disease she had as I had never seen anything like it.

[peter pandy]

Have not had time to apply myself to the keyboard but to continue from where I left off, The bird in question I took into my tool shed with the intension of disposing her in a painless fashion when I thought I would try something out of the ordinary and put the kettle on, not to make a cup of tea but to dissolve half a teaspoon of Virkon "S" in warm water, then taking a cotton bud dipped in the solution I proceeded to give her wattle a scrub. Removing the stain took 6 buds but it came off leaving her wattle a rosy pink as if she had been flying through a thunder storm.

The next day it was still shining pink but a few days later it was as white as driven snow. I have came to the conclusion that the mess of her wattle was down to crop milk when feeding her single young and the excess was covering her face.. Lesson Learnt..

The "Grand" has had a 60 mile training toss every second day and covered the miles with ease and faster by a couple of minutes every time including his last which was into a strong head wind. He is now sitting and will be sent on Tuesday to Roye covering 14 day eggs, I have to say that at the moment he is looking the best he has ever been and a much richer deeper colour. One can only keep ones digits crossed and hope the old saying Third Time Lucky applies.

 

To all my friends [you know who you are] Heartfelt Congratulations on your success in the Nationals and condolences to those friends who have been dissapointed, Remember their is always next year and without us losers their cannot be winners !!!

[Delboy]

All the best with the grand Peter, its been a sore year m8 and I hope he puts a smile on yer face next weekend

[dal2]

Ye best of luck peter. ......this year will be my last on he natural. ......back to widow for me. Successful in places but just not the consistency and too many variables

[geordie1234]

On natural do you ever have to treat for respiratory? Or use a product to clear their heads? On natural I've heard this is a must?

[peter pandy]

On natural do you ever have to treat for respiratory? Or use a product to clear their heads? On natural I've heard this is a must?

 

To be perfectly honest George I dont know what respiratory is !!, I thought it had to do with birds gasping with open beaks and sought advice from Garry the Herbalist from Penrith when employed by C.J. but no problems were identified so I tried this trick. The birds were forced to fly an extra 5 minutes every day with me on the loft roof with a double barrel shotgun. After a week they were flying round the loft for maybe 45 minutes and all the gasping dissapeared. Apart from a Lung Wormer they are never flock treated. There is one way to check the air passages that I use and that to bend the head downwards and put your ear to its back, If no noise is heard then their should not be a problem, But then again I am deaf..

[Delboy]

To be perfectly honest George I dont know what respiratory is !!, I thought it had to do with birds gasping with open beaks and sought advice from Garry the Herbalist from Penrith when employed by C.J. but no problems were identified so I tried this trick. The birds were forced to fly an extra 5 minutes every day with me on the loft roof with a double barrel shotgun. After a week they were flying round the loft for maybe 45 minutes and all the gasping dissapeared. Apart from a Lung Wormer they are never flock treated. There is one way to check the air passages that I use and that to bend the head downwards and put your ear to its back, If no noise is heard then their should not be a problem, But then again I am deaf..

 

Have you never used anything for respiratory Peter?

[peter pandy]

Have you never used anything for respiratory Peter?

 

I just dont know what it is Derek ?, Is it blocked nostrils ?, or Lung infection ?, All medicines with the exception of those requiring P.O.M. can be bought off the shelf and are mostly useless in my opinion. I honestly believe some fanciers are convinced that by giving certain products they will win with them but to my mind if all the top fanciers only sent a maximum of 2 pigeons to a race whether it be 60 miles or 600 miles you would find the real winning fanciers and it would be a different ball game. The guys I really admire are those that only send 1 and clock them regardless what position they win as they are the ones who have the confidence and ability to prove their worth. Its the same as "if" The Southern Uplands did not exist racing into Central Scotland would be truer racing.

[Delboy]

Respiratory disease covers a lot of different problems Peter,Chlamydia, ornithosis, infectious catarrh, swollen sinuses, infected airsac etc etc. Have you never used any product to cure or help any of these ailments?

[peter pandy]

Respiratory disease covers a lot of different problems Peter,Chlamydia, ornithosis, infectious catarrh, swollen sinuses, infected airsac etc etc. Have you never used any product to cure or help any of these ailments?

 

 

expletive remove Derek, All the above, NAW, and especially not for me personally.

[Delboy]

Well Peter, im really surprised at that m8.

[blue pied]

from the 25 pairs you started with how many do u have left and what distance have they flown?

[Wiley]

I just dont know what it is Derek ?, Is it blocked nostrils ?, or Lung infection ?, All medicines with the exception of those requiring P.O.M. can be bought off the shelf and are mostly useless in my opinion. I honestly believe some fanciers are convinced that by giving certain products they will win with them but to my mind if all the top fanciers only sent a maximum of 2 pigeons to a race whether it be 60 miles or 600 miles you would find the real winning fanciers and it would be a different ball game. The guys I really admire are those that only send 1 and clock them regardless what position they win as they are the ones who have the confidence and ability to prove their worth. Its the same as "if" The Southern Uplands did not exist racing into Central Scotland would be truer racing.

 

Peter do you not use a product called nazaline? Doesnt that clear the airwaves?

[peter pandy]

Peter do you not use a product called nazaline? Doesnt that clear the airwaves?

Yes, But only on any individual bird that I feel after looking up the nostril for any foreign matter such as a bit of straw. If you have seen the film regarding Nazaline I have never had anything like that crap working its way out.