gordon wilson Posted July 25, 2015 Report Posted July 25, 2015 ABBY MILNE 878ABBY MILNE 877NEIL RAYMOND 832 NEIL RAYMOND 831JAMES ABEL 782JAMES ABEL 772ABBY MILNE 770ABBY MILNE 770ABBY MILNE 770ABBY MILNE 768 WELL DONE ABBY the bad liberation [bUT NO FAULT OF THE LIBERATORS ] nailed our club birds with heavy losses all round but surely some will make there way home tomorrow after they come to terms with the scare they must have got once they were released what more can we do about the problem as a lot of work has all ready been done and still not getting the support we deserve ???
john cumming Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 totally agree gogs, what more can we do ?? just hope some make it back the day john
walterbmasson Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 Well Gordon there is one thing for certain you don't send them back ta Cowdenbeath that wid ba madness there is only 12 miles difference in sending them ta Arniston where I don't think the birds have been hit right away but there is one thing for certain the fed needs birds ta keep gan and there is one thing for sure most won't pit ta this race point ta get slaughtered again ?
Dooheed 5 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 Well Gordon there is one thing for certain you don't send them back ta Cowdenbeath that wid ba madness there is only 12 miles difference in sending them ta Arniston where I don't think the birds have been hit right away but there is one thing for certain the fed needs birds ta keep gan and there is one thing for sure most won't pit ta this race point ta get slaughtered again ?Barking up the wrong tree imo if the think shiftin race points will make a Differance ?? They are everywhere so if they are not gettin hit at lib site they will be gettin hit on their way home and more so at this time of year when the are out teaching their young how to hunt !when arrived at work this morning at St Fergus gas terminal stood and Watched hen with Two young tearing up the sky !!
walterbmasson Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 Barking up the wrong tree imo if the think shiftin race points will make a Differance ?? They are everywhere so if they are not gettin hit at lib site they will be gettin hit on their way home and more so at this time of year when the are out teaching their young how to hunt !when arrived at work this morning at St Fergus gas terminal stood and Watched hen with Two young tearing up the sky !!Well it's up ta the members ta decide ta send or not but I've spoken ta some of yer club members and they have all said they are all waiting in most of there birds all I said was avoid a slaughter there is different ways ta try and avoid these birds of prey and I certainly know putting our pigeons back on the Cowdenbeath dinner table is not one of them and giving the birds a chance ta get them going will give them better Odds of beating the gauntlet but it's been on here a few times every one is there own race controller say na mair ?
Robbie7836 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 Well Gordon there is one thing for certain you don't send them back ta Cowdenbeath that wid ba madness there is only 12 miles difference in sending them ta Arniston where I don't think the birds have been hit right away but there is one thing for certain the fed needs birds ta keep gan and there is one thing for sure most won't pit ta this race point ta get slaughtered again ? To be honest I have to agree we Walter on this one. One of the most important things I think is a good start and with peregrine nest within a mile of Cowdenbeath that's not going to happen. I don't think we've had a bad arniston since we've been racing from there. Everyone knows they will get multiple strikes on way home but if they get chance to get there bearings first it's half the battle. Therefore I think Walters right we should goBrechinBrechinArniston
walterbmasson Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 To be honest I have to agree we Walter on this one. One of the most important things I think is a good start and with peregrine nest within a mile of Cowdenbeath that's not going to happen. I don't think we've had a bad arniston since we've been racing from there. Everyone knows they will get multiple strikes on way home but if they get chance to get there bearings first it's half the battle. Therefore I think Walters right we should goBrechinBrechinArniston
walterbmasson Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 Yes Robert I agree we ye Brechin Brechin and then Arniston for the sake of our birds as there won't be birds for nex year by the way I got my 10 birds home but it needs every fancier ta have a team of birds ta keep a fed gan ? Sorry for using this Devon valley club post for this issue gobs ?
Dooheed 5 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 To be honest I have to agree we Walter on this one. One of the most important things I think is a good start and with peregrine nest within a mile of Cowdenbeath that's not going to happen. I don't think we've had a bad arniston since we've been racing from there. Everyone knows they will get multiple strikes on way home but if they get chance to get there bearings first it's half the battle. Therefore I think Walters right we should goBrechinBrechinArnistonWalter you dina have to tell me that theres members o my club waiting on most o their Doos from saturdays race because im one o them !! What Makes ye so sure they are not going to get hit at Brechin or Arniston while liberating or any other of the remaining race points in the programme this year ?? it a game of chance nowadays ?? Dont think weve had a bad race from Cowdenbeath until Yesterday ?? these Birds have a territory of over 20/30 mile so you would be hard pushed to find a lib site not near to a nestsite ?? Basically they can get Slaughtered Anywhere !!
Robbie7836 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 Walter you dina have to tell me that theres members o my club waiting on most o their Doos from saturdays race because im one o them !! What Makes ye so sure they are not going to get hit at Brechin or Arniston while liberating or any other of the remaining race points in the programme this year ?? it a game of chance nowadays ?? Dont think weve had a bad race from Cowdenbeath until Yesterday ?? these Birds have a territory of over 20/30 mile so you would be hard pushed to find a lib site not near to a nestsite ??[/ Can only go on past experiences Chris and Cowdenbeath yesterday is an experience neither me nor you would like again. Wether the fed changes it or no my own programme now definitely misses Cowdenbeath. Would you toss your youngenes fae your work after watching the peregrines this morning? For me there's only two options try somewhere else or don't send
Dooheed 5 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 Walter you dina have to tell me that theres members o my club waiting on most o their Doos from saturdays race because im one o them !! What Makes ye so sure they are not going to get hit at Brechin or Arniston while liberating or any other of the remaining race points in the programme this year ?? it a game of chance nowadays ?? Dont think weve had a bad race from Cowdenbeath until Yesterday ?? these Birds have a territory of over 20/30 mile so you would be hard pushed to find a lib site not near to a nestsite ??[/ Can only go on past experiences Chris and Cowdenbeath yesterday is an experience neither me nor you would like again. Wether the fed changes it or no my own programme now definitely misses Cowdenbeath. Would you toss your youngenes fae your work after watching the peregrines this morning? For me there's only two options try somewhere else or don't sendNae sayin dont try some thing different Pal but to be honest i just canna see it making a differance in the long run !! Abody to there own !!
Robbie7836 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 It probably won't Chris but we have to try something if we go back to Cowdenbeath and the same thing happens not only is it cruelty but its our own fault. We need to learn from it, chalk it off our program and try somewhere else. If trying somewhere else for the sake o the doos is asking too much maybe it's about time we admitted defeat which is a decision after days like yesterday that's getting easier all the time
gordon wilson Posted July 26, 2015 Author Report Posted July 26, 2015 Some good points here boys keep them coming and we might get a fair discussion before the next cowdenbeath
daviedoo22 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 Some good points here boys keep them coming and we might get a fair discussion before the next cowdenbeathMy opinion is less young bird races. Don't go so far with them and start later in season. ie not when Percy is teaching young to hunt. Got to think of the fed and our youngsters and not the young bird national.
Grizzlecock Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 To be honest I have to agree we Walter on this one. One of the most important things I think is a good start and with peregrine nest within a mile of Cowdenbeath that's not going to happen. I don't think we've had a bad arniston since we've been racing from there. Everyone knows they will get multiple strikes on way home but if they get chance to get there bearings first it's half the battle. Therefore I think Walters right we should goBrechinBrechinArnistonI quite agree Brechin Brechin arniston
philg50 Posted July 26, 2015 Report Posted July 26, 2015 Through one reason or another i dinna race a lot but have been following this and other threads about this problem and a lad on another thread come up with this ,do not race your young pigeons ,start the season with 7 yearling races at the end of April ,then at the end of June start your old bird races 2yrs+ .This imo would give the youngsters time to mature in the head giving them a bit more savy to deal with problems on route and also there would be no need for darkness system as i think they they have a lot to put up with without the fancier interfering with nature .This is just one idea .
BLACK W F Posted July 27, 2015 Report Posted July 27, 2015 My opinion is less young bird races. Don't go so far with them and start later in season. ie not when Percy is teaching young to hunt. Got to think of the fed and our youngsters and not the young bird national.got to agree with u Davey I had very few away but will have plenty away this coming week but I certainly will not be sending any numbers to cowdenbeith we have far too many y/b races its time to revert back to 7 max and start a lot later JMO
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