eastcoaster Posted April 6, 2015 Report Posted April 6, 2015 I would like a few opinions on fret marks on ybs wings , I gave all my first round away today but on inspection found very minor marks on a half dozen ybs from different nests and one which was a cracking yb had 1 flight that had stopped growing , This concerned me so I spoke to a very good fancier with nat wins and international wins to his credit and he told me which flights they were on and he was correct ! And said ( as my brother did) that as long as there are no frets on the quil then they matter not , on the yb with the half grown flight there was absolutely no other frets on wings or tail other than what looked like bruising at the base of the flight like a knock .Just would like some general opinion without the kill brigade .
Delboy Posted April 6, 2015 Report Posted April 6, 2015 In young pigeons coming out of the nest frets indicate it suffered from a health set back or it missed feeds ( due to rivalry for food with its nestmate )or the quality of feed was lacking in some way. You very seldom get a single reared yb with a fret mark Colin.
peter pandy Posted April 6, 2015 Report Posted April 6, 2015 I have never reared a pair of youngsters without the second and third secondary flights being fretted nor have I bred a single reared youngster with a fret mark. Dont know the answer but have never been concerned about it as they still win in good competition.
Guest stb- Posted April 6, 2015 Report Posted April 6, 2015 on first couple of flights can be caused by being fed late or not enough in the feeding as long as not on tail etc and no check on quill i wouldnt bother about them
Valiant Fifer Posted April 6, 2015 Report Posted April 6, 2015 Have noticed also that single reared ybs dont seem to develope fret marks on the first few primarys. Gonna stick my neck out though and say when there are two in the nest they develope fret marks POSSIBLY down to the change over from the pigeons natural soft feeding supply to hard feeding. When there is two in the nest the supply will run out quicker. When only one in the nest it maybe lasts a little longer and maybe partly explains why we dont see fret marks on single reared ones. jmo.
andy Burgess Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 Have noticed also that single reared ybs dont seem to develope fret marks on the first few primarys. Gonna stick my neck out though and say when there are two in the nest they develope fret marks POSSIBLY down to the change over from the pigeons natural soft feeding supply to hard feeding. When there is two in the nest the supply will run out quicker. When only one in the nest it maybe lasts a little longer and maybe partly explains why we dont see fret marks on single reared ones. jmo. your theory , i would go with that as an educated answer . however , myself , ive never noticed ? i shant be looking , and wont worry about it
eastcoaster Posted April 7, 2015 Author Report Posted April 7, 2015 your theory , i would go with that as an educated answer . however , myself , ive never noticed ? i shant be looking , and wont worry about it Not worried either Andy until Doug came through to collect some I never ever looked as the basket will tell me if they are fretting , very true out of the five that were single reared none had any faults so there can't be much in this .
andy Burgess Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 Not worried either Andy until Doug came through to collect some I never ever looked as the basket will tell me if they are fretting , very true out of the five that were single reared none had any faults so there can't be much in this . no Colin , i wouldnt have thought theres much in it pal ?
Delboy Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 I have never reared a pair of youngsters without the second and third secondary flights being fretted nor have I bred a single reared youngster with a fret mark. Dont know the answer but have never been concerned about it as they still win in good competition. I weaned a few today ( 3 pairs ) and not one had a fret mark. These were reared by a single parent too. Maybe this is the key, the single parent rearing hasn't time for looking for a mate, it concentrates solely on rearing its both young. It is unusual for most pairs not to have a check on them so maybe im onto something .
greenlands Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 Good pigeons with fret marks still win good races,fanciers look for things that aren't there,as previously said,might have missed a feed for some reason. I have a pair in the stock loft with wettish droppings,tested the parents and the young,OK.Bloody cock in above nest took a dislike the the parents and hogging the drinker ( right opposite his nest) so when they get chance to drink they overfill.Sorted put another drinker on the floor.
Valiant Fifer Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 I weaned a few today ( 3 pairs ) and not one had a fret mark. These were reared by a single parent too. Maybe this is the key, the single parent rearing hasn't time for looking for a mate, it concentrates solely on rearing its both young. It is unusual for most pairs not to have a check on them so maybe im onto something .Yup could be, good point Del. Have seen some lovely well bred ybs single & in pairs reared from a single parent. Just look at me lol! :emoticon-0140-rofl: :emoticon-0140-rofl:
Delboy Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 Yup could be, good point Del. Have seen some lovely well bred ybs single & in pairs reared from a single parent. Just look at me lol! :emoticon-0140-rofl: :emoticon-0140-rofl: hahaha
eastcoaster Posted April 7, 2015 Author Report Posted April 7, 2015 All very interesting , this is why at 57 I still consider myself a novice as there is more to pigeons than putting birds in basket and expecting to win races .
ALF Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 Until I seen this thread it isnae something I have thought about we have took away 29 yb's and to be honest never checked a single 1 for fret marks
Valiant Fifer Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 wouldnt worry about to be honest big man most ybs will have them when their reared in same nest as their nest mate.
peter pandy Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 I weaned a few today ( 3 pairs ) and not one had a fret mark. These were reared by a single parent too. Maybe this is the key, the single parent rearing hasn't time for looking for a mate, it concentrates solely on rearing its both young. It is unusual for most pairs not to have a check on them so maybe im onto something . SPECKSAVERS beckons Del :emoticon-0126-nerd: :emoticon-0126-nerd:
Delboy Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 Pedro, ive got 20/20 vision lol,I know it sounds weird and I was very surprised myself. A high percentage of ybs have the normal checks but these last few getting weaned hadn't a fret ,as I said before, raised with only one parent since 14days old and fed 4 times a day. Everydays a school day. As most have said, it means nothing to the capabilities of the yb in future life, or does it???
peter pandy Posted April 7, 2015 Report Posted April 7, 2015 Time will tell Dell and I will remind you in a year or two to give us their racing record. Just out of curiosity mind.
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