Canker

[peter pandy]

One of the most important replies to me from the team member was EVERY time you treated with Antibiotics Etc, Was the fact you were killing off the GUT FLORA WHICH IS THE IMMUNE SYSTEM and only the IMMUNE SYSTEM CAN KILL THE PROTOZEA. Now please sleep on that fact.

[andy Burgess]

Andy whit blinkin age dae ye think we are.

 

. i was just politely trying to find out , what course of action was taken "prior" to these so called "modern cures" being available ? it seems the Vet has suggested we wait for a natural immunity to take care of it ? is that what happened before ?

[William Reid]

thanks for the reply Peter . any idea "pre- Emtryl" days ??

 

 

 

 

or you Billy ? any idea before these treatments ??

Andy when I moved here many moons ago I had 2 old fanciers one and four gardens away. And the only thing they used was Epsom salts and bicarbonate soda . I know one thing for sure it blow the back end off the birds . :lol: :lol:

[William Reid]

billy has been around a good while :emoticon-0136-giggle:

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[Kyleakin Lofts]

Light a match and use the blown out matchstick on the canker. I think I remember hearing a cure to this effect, it was something to do with the sulphur in the match, but a lot of the time if they did not recover quickly, they were moved on.

[andy Burgess]

Andy when I moved here many moons ago I had 2 old fanciers one and four gardens away. And the only thing they used was Epsom salts and bicarbonate soda . I know one thing for sure it blow the back end off the birds . :lol: :lol:

 

 

[Kyleakin Lofts]

There were loads of old cures and they either cured or killed.

[just ask me]

question if you were lucky enough to have a national winner in your loft and it fell badly ill (possible death) due to canker and the vet said needed a treatment would you turn around and say nope ill bring him home and let it fend for its self

 

 

as soon as pigeon is treated a bird has canker again its natural thing for a pigeon to produce im not talking about treating for the sake of treating

[William Reid]

Light a match and use the blown out matchstick on the canker. I think I remember hearing a cure to this effect, it was something to do with the sulphur in the match, but a lot of the time if they did not recover quickly, they were moved on.

Andy like everything our birds get infected with when you can see it your fckd Sorry should have said to late .

 

[peter pandy]

Another was Lugols Iodine 7/5% Which everyone used as it was the mainstay of the medicine cabinet and used extensively. I dont remember if I mentioned in an earlier post that when I have my Flu jab I always end up with a lung/chest infection which necessitates a course of antibiotics. On this occasion it happened again but as I had a bottle of Lugols I decided to put half a teaspoon in some water gargling and drinking it down. 48 hours later no cough no runny nose no cattarh and felt great. No wonder the Yanks banned it or the Pharmcutical Companies would have been out of business. For anyone who is interested in it Google it up and have your eyes opened as to its proprietry to the human race.

[peter pandy]

question if you were lucky enough to have a national winner in your loft and it fell badly ill (possible death) due to canker and the vet said needed a treatment would you turn around and say nope ill bring him home and let it fend for its self

 

 

as soon as pigeon is treated a bird has canker again its natural thing for a pigeon to produce im not talking about treating for the sake of treating

Health is the be all and end all for winning races. Fit but unhealthy dont and its unfortunate we cannot see inside them. I said at the start of this subject my birds were in fantastic condition yet had canker.

[Guest IB]

I remember reading a book way back in the 1960s when I was still a schoolboy and reading about the 1950 discovery of different strains of trichomonas including one that terrified me, 'the Jones Barn strain' that killed everything it infected. I didn't understand what I was reading back then, but Gordon Chalmers reproduced the original work in one of his Articles which clearly explained that if the pigeon carries background levels of a 'safe' strain of trichomonas, i.e. one that does not produce the disease CANKER, it acts exactly in the same way as if the bird had been vaccinated against CANKER (as far as I know, there is no CANKER vaccine).

 

By producing Antibodies that recognise the trichomonas that is present in it in small numbers, the pigeon has developed the immunity against all strains of trichomonas including the 'deadlier' ones that cause CANKER, the disease.

 

It's the same with cocci, small background levels enable the pigeon to develop immunity against COCCIDIOSIS the disease.

 

In 1950s and 60s most fanciers were terrified of canker and coccidiosis. IMO if you are having to treat regularly for these with antibiotics or antimicrobials, then there is something far wrong with the pigeons' immunity and you are propping it up with meds., and creating antibiotic resistant strains in your team. In fact Gordon Chalmers goes a step further and says if trich and cocci levels rise it is an indication that something else is at work on the pigeon, and it is 'the something else' that you need to treat. Treat that, and the the bird itself will drop these levels back to 'background'.

[Tony C]

Another was Lugols Iodine 7/5% Which everyone used as it was the mainstay of the medicine cabinet and used extensively. I dont remember if I mentioned in an earlier post that when I have my Flu jab I always end up with a lung/chest infection which necessitates a course of antibiotics. On this occasion it happened again but as I had a bottle of Lugols I decided to put half a teaspoon in some water gargling and drinking it down. 48 hours later no cough no runny nose no cattarh and felt great. No wonder the Yanks banned it or the Pharmcutical Companies would have been out of business. For anyone who is interested in it Google it up and have your eyes opened as to its proprietry to the human race.

Peter, I haven't treated for canker for many years now, what I do give them is an Iodine solution twice a week through the summer months and once a week throughout winter.

[Tony C]

Light a match and use the blown out matchstick on the canker. I think I remember hearing a cure to this effect, it was something to do with the sulphur in the match, but a lot of the time if they did not recover quickly, they were moved on.

I heard the same, I was told though it was a Swan-Vesta match (the red tipped matchstick for our younger viewers )

[Novice]

Andy like everything our birds get infected with when you can see it your fckd Sorry should have said to late .

 

 

I note the pigeon in the picture also shows a discoloured tip to it's tongue. Does anyone attach any significance to this?

[Wiley]

I note the pigeon in the picture also shows a discoloured tip to it's tongue. Does anyone attach any significance to this?

 

I spoke to a vet regarding the tip being blue i always associated it with respiratory, however speaking to De Weerdt when henk visited epsom show he said it was a bacterial infection to which they have not found a cure for yet.

[Novice]

I spoke to a vet regarding the tip being blue i always associated it with respiratory, however speaking to De Weerdt when henk visited epsom show he said it was a bacterial infection to which they have not found a cure for yet.

 

thanks for that. I had a pigeon with this years ago and was told by the Scottish Agricultural College that it was only pigmentation and nothing of significance. I felt at the time that it was more serious than their diagnosis suggested.

[peter dempsey]

regarding the use of match ? I thought it was a match unused ie the red sulphar

[Wiley]

thanks for that. I had a pigeon with this years ago and was told by the Scottish Agricultural College that it was only pigmentation and nothing of significance. I felt at the time that it was more serious than their diagnosis suggested.

 

The reason why i asked Henk, was as i had a top racing hen last season that was winning and scoring very well, then all of a sudden stopped performing. Being me i dont believe form comes and goes, i searched for a reason, and noticed her tongue colour changed from the pink pigement it was when she was winning and scoring well to a blue tipped one when she wasnt scoring. As i said i thought it was associated with respiratory a few years back but a respiratory treatment never cleared it from this hen and henks explanation answered that for me

[Tony C]

thanks for that. I had a pigeon with this years ago and was told by the Scottish Agricultural College that it was only pigmentation and nothing of significance. I felt at the time that it was more serious than their diagnosis suggested.

My father use to race the Boeykens strain and the fella he got them from told him to treasure any that showed the dark tip on their tongue, said they were the breeders.

[paddymac]

I heard the same, I was told though it was a Swan-Vesta match (the red tipped matchstick for our younger viewers )

Spot on Tony, it was the sulphur from the red headed matches usually sold by Swan

[buster151]

regarding the use of match ? I thought it was a match unused ie the red sulphar

Correct, we used to wet it then rub it over

[Kyleakin Lofts]

Correct, we used to wet it then rub it over

 

The vagaries of age!!!

At least I remembered the match and the sulphur, and knowing this site, now the full and correct explanation has appeared.

[Tony C]

The vagaries of age!!!

At least I remembered the match and the sulphur, and knowing this site, now the full and correct explanation has appeared.

Think were getting there believe the reverse end of the match was made into a point then used to remove the canker lesion then rubbing the other end over the wound.

[paddymac]

Think were getting there believe the reverse end of the match was made into a point then used to remove the canker lesion then rubbing the other end over the wound.

I think the eyesight of some of us now trying to carry out this procedure would be more of a problem than the actual canker :emoticon-0136-giggle: